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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] "I have kept my word of honor"
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Felix Malmenbeck)
Tue Jul 10 15:11:34 2012
From: Felix Malmenbeck <felixm@kth.se>
To: Steven Boozer <sboozer@uchicago.edu>, "tlhingan-hol@kli.org"
<tlhingan-hol@kli.org>
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 19:11:01 +0000
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Some more instances of {pab}, {'Ip} and {lay'}:
tugh 'Ipvetlh Dapab DaneH'a'?
"Would you like to keep that promise very soon?"
[paq'batlh, paq'yav, Canto 3, Stanza 3; p.60-61]
nablIj yIpab
"You may go on as planned"
[paq'batlh, paq'raD, Canto 16 (lay' qotar), Stanza 4; p.144-145]
bIlay'DI' qaHarbe'
[...]
jIlay'DI' reH batlh jIpabchugh
Qapla'meywIj Hoch vIta'ta' 'e' DaHar'a'
"Your word means nothing to me,
[...]
Did you think that my word of honor
Would have carried me this far?"
[paq'batlh, paq'raD, Canto 19, Stanza 5; p.156-157]
bIleghlaH jIlay'ta' 'ej batlh jIpabta'
"As you see, I have kept my word"
[paq'batlh, paq'QIH, Canto 5, Stanza 2; p.192-193]
>> not lay'Ha' tlhIngan
>> No Klingon ever breaks his word. TKW
> This is interesting. It's "undo a promise," not "go against a promise"
> or "fail to fulfill a promise." It says the promise exists and then is
> undone, not that something is done that is contrary to the promise,
> which is usually what is meant by the English "break his word."
It can also mean something like "A Klingon never mis-promises". Assuming it's not an error (or retconning if if it is), could it be that it means that a Klingon never makes a promise they won't keep; "A Klingon never makes a promise he/she won't keep."
The English translation, then, is just an approximation of that, shifting focus from the act of making a promise (which is destined to be broken) to the act of breaking it?
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From: Steven Boozer [sboozer@uchicago.edu]
Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2012 16:23
To: tlhingan-hol@kli.org
Subject: [Tlhingan-hol] "I have kept my word of honor"
I've just noticed a new idiom used in the {paq'batlh}: {lay' 'ej batlh pab} "keep one's word of honor":
jIlay'ta' 'ej batlh jIpabta' vaj choDanIS
I have kept my word of honor, And so should you, (PB 150-151, 186-187)
qotarvaD lay'ta' 'ej batlh pab qeylIS
Kahless kept his word of honor to Kotar (PB 184-85)
Cf. also the verbs {'Ip} "vow, swear", {lay'} "promise" & {lay'Ha'} "break one's word".
--
Voragh
Ca'Non Master of the Klingons
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