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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Operations Command (was Re: Klingon Word of the
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Steven Boozer)
Thu May 31 16:36:22 2012
From: Steven Boozer <sboozer@uchicago.edu>
To: "tlhingan-hol@kli.org" <tlhingan-hol@kli.org>
Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 20:36:07 +0000
In-Reply-To: <CA+7zAmNJCKdbVjY6pOw5_hv9C_X0xCC+YtCwSpWM2S0LDovF9g@mail.gmail.com>
Errors-To: tlhingan-hol-bounces@stodi.digitalkingdom.org
I must have analyzed this as *{yo' SeHyaH nIvvo'} which made more sense to =
me at the time. When transcribing closed captions and subtitles, I take th=
e captioners' version with a grain of salt. Sometimes they divide thesy ll=
a-bles stran-gelyin deed! <g> Klingon text, even when aided by a script, =
just confuses them. I'll correct my notes so as not to propagate these fur=
ther.
--
Voragh
Ca'Non Master of the Klingons
> -----Original Message-----
> From: De'vID jonpIn [mailto:de.vid.jonpin@gmail.com]
> =
> Philip Newton:
> >>> Is this the source for the {yo'SeH yaHnIv} that's listed on
> >>> http://www.kli.org/tlh/newwords.html ?
> >>> It's listed there as:
> >>> (n) Operations Command [Apparently this is a proper noun.]
> [HolQeD v8n4p11]
> =
> Voragh:
>>> According to my notes, {yo' SeHyaH nIvvo' potlh De' wIHevtaH} "we are
>>> receiving a priority message from [Fleet] Operations Command" comes from
>>> Okrand's ST5 notes published in HolQeD 8.4:12-13.
>>> If someone has that issue available, s/he might want to verify it for u=
s.
> =
> Quvar:
>> The issue contains the following, actually on page 11. I will add the
>> hyphens and settings exactly:
>> -----------------------------------------
>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Vixis
>>
>> Captain, we are receiving a priority
>> message from Operations
>> Command.
>> HoD, yo'-SeH yaH-nIv-vo' potlh
>> De' wI-Hev-taH
> =
> It looks like spaces are actually spaces, whereas dashes were added to
> separate the elements in a word. So, the sentence is actually: {HoD,
> yo'SeH yaHnIvvo' potlh De' wIHevtaH}. Assuming the sentence was
> transcribed in the way MO intended, the new words are actually
> ?{yo'SeH} and ?{yaHnIv} (which is consistent with the KLI new words
> list), and not ?{SeHyaH}.
> =
> {yo'SeH} and {yaHnIv} are both a little bit strange, in that the first
> appears to be a noun-(action verb) compound, and the second appears to
> be a noun-(adjectival-verb) compound. But then we have precedents in
> {yejHaD} and {yejquv}. I suppose the safest thing to do is to treat
> the entire thing as the KLI new words list does, and consider {yo'SeH
> yaHnIv} as one unit meaning "Operations Command".
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