[93455] in tlhIngan-Hol
Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Operations Command (was Re: Klingon Word of the
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (De'vID jonpIn)
Thu May 31 15:59:42 2012
In-Reply-To: <4FC6891E.2070900@web.de>
Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 21:59:16 +0200
From: "De'vID jonpIn" <de.vid.jonpin@gmail.com>
To: tlhIngan-Hol <tlhingan-hol@kli.org>
Errors-To: tlhingan-hol-bounces@stodi.digitalkingdom.org
Philip Newton:
>>> Is this the source for the {yo'SeH yaHnIv} that's listed on
>>> http://www.kli.org/tlh/newwords.html ?
>>> It's listed there as:
>>> (n) Operations Command [Apparently this is a proper noun.] [HolQeD v=
8n4p11]
Voragh:
>> According to my notes, {yo' SeHyaH nIvvo' potlh De' wIHevtaH} "we are
>> receiving a priority message from [Fleet] Operations Command" comes from
>> Okrand's ST5 notes published in HolQeD 8.4:12-13.
>> If someone has that issue available, s/he might want to verify it for us.
Quvar:
> The issue contains the following, actually on page 11. I will add the
> hyphens and settings exactly:
> -----------------------------------------
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Vixis
>
> Captain, we are receiving a priority
> message from Operations
> Command.
> HoD, yo'-SeH yaH-nIv-vo' potlh
> De' wI-Hev-taH
It looks like spaces are actually spaces, whereas dashes were added to
separate the elements in a word. So, the sentence is actually: {HoD,
yo'SeH yaHnIvvo' potlh De' wIHevtaH}. Assuming the sentence was
transcribed in the way MO intended, the new words are actually
?{yo'SeH} and ?{yaHnIv} (which is consistent with the KLI new words
list), and not ?{SeHyaH}.
{yo'SeH} and {yaHnIv} are both a little bit strange, in that the first
appears to be a noun-(action verb) compound, and the second appears to
be a noun-(adjectival-verb) compound. But then we have precedents in
{yejHaD} and {yejquv}. I suppose the safest thing to do is to treat
the entire thing as the KLI new words list does, and consider {yo'SeH
yaHnIv} as one unit meaning "Operations Command".
Quvar:
> BTW, later on page 12 we find {ngoq-De'}, which had been questioned here
> lately. It has the hyphen although it's on a split line like potlh
> De', which does not have a hyphen.
This suggests that {ngoqDe'} is considered one word.
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De'vID
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