[93179] in tlhIngan-Hol
Re: [Tlhingan-hol] nuq bop bom: wa'vatlh SochmaH loS: HIvwI'
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Robyn Stewart)
Tue May 8 01:17:37 2012
Date: Mon, 07 May 2012 22:14:47 -0700
To: tlhIngan-Hol <tlhingan-hol@kli.org>
From: Robyn Stewart <robyn@flyingstart.ca>
In-Reply-To: <CAFK8js3gYXF866tp6Rms677NX4JxZjUN4TUjJsvLiAXQLJ3kHQ@mail.g
mail.com>
Errors-To: tlhingan-hol-bounces@stodi.digitalkingdom.org
At 07:37 '?????' 5/7/2012, you wrote:
>On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 12:43 PM, Qov <robyn@flyingstart.ca> wrote:
> > =93qaSbe'pu', maHun. qaqaw. jajvetlh mInDu'lIj =
> vIqatta'DI' qama' buq vIteqbe'.
> > bImISlaw',=94 jatlh vajar, ghIq mIllogh legh. ghov. wejmaH ben QI' pegh
> > 'oHbejpu' tuQDoq'e'. qubtaH. not SaHtaHvIS vajar tuQDoq lo'taH vay'.
> >
> > =93qaSbejpu'. murotlhmoH. chaq tlhIngan Hol =
> mujatlhmoH. qatlh qama' lurotlhmoH
> > tlhInganpu'?=94 jatlh Mahoun. De'vam neHqu'mo', bIQ neHbogh qama' rur.
>
>muqawmoH mu'meyvam Do'Ha'. Soj neHbogh qama' ghaHpu' Mahoun'e'.
chIch qaqawmoH. may'DujDaq Soj biQ je Hutlh =
Mahoun, 'ach ngIv DujDaq Mahoun je' vajar.
> > jatlh vajar, =93Heghbe'meH. Heghchugh qama', ra'pa' ra'wI', qay'. chaq =
wanI'
> > Daqawbogh vISov. nonchoHpu'mo' DeSDu'lIj 'ej--=94
>
>chaq qar <non> 'ach jum. yInwI' DeS Delmo' jIbItqu'.
rop teH vIDelneH. yIntaHvIS vay' nonchoH Ha'DIbaH =
'ej ngImchoH. 'upbej. SIQ Mahoun.
> > qagh Mahoun. jatlh, =93wanI'vetlh vIqawchu' je. pIm.=94 poSDaq DeSDajDaq
> > 'uch'eghchoH Mahoun 'ej 'eSSIm leghmeH nach tlhe'moH. jatlh Mahoun, =93=
jIHvaD
> > Soj Danob 'ej Qel DarI' 'ach cha'maH wa' 'anDornganpu'vetlh Qorghlaw'pu'
> > pagh. langqu'chu' 'ej roptaH 'ej Heghpu' 'op.=94
> >
> > =93'anDorngan 'ar?!=94 pe'vIl jatlh vajar. Mahoun SupmoH.
>
>vay' ghovlaw' vajar. tugh mISvam QIjlu'jaj.
bIDo' -- reH 'ay' veb DalaDlaH.
> > chuSchoH Mahoun
> > QumwI'. 'eSSIm retlhDaq QamchoH Mahoun, =
> jangtaHvIS. nov Hol jatlhtaHbogh be'
> > 'IjchoH. Mahoun ghIjlaw' mu'meyDaj. QumwI' 'eSmoH Mahoun.
>
>'IH <'eSmoH>. not vIleghpu'. nap 'ej Delchu'.
vaj mu'mey 'IH DItu'meH lutmey qonnIS Hoch.
> > vajar pum qabDaj.
> > jatlh, =93qatlh ngem SumDaq SaHlaw'taH cha' tlhInganpu'?=94
> >
> > Hota'ro' ghutar je tu'law'pu' Farsajii noch. jatlh vajar, =93beqwIj cha=
Hlaw'.
>
>Something about {beqwIj chaH} bothers me. I understand that "crew"
>could be a collective non-speech-using noun akin to "family", but
>since the pronoun is {chaH} with the antecedent {cha' tlhInganpu'}
>wouldn't this sentence best be understood as the plural "they're my
>crewmen" and use {-wI'}?
As it disturbs you I will change it, but would =
you know say {qorDu'wIj chaH} in a similar circumstance?
> > nIghIjbe'meH tlheD 'e' vIra'.=94 bIttaH Mahoun. =
> De' 'olDI' 'eSSIm, leS Mahoun.
>
>qarchu'be', 'ach yap. ra'qu'ta'be'. I suppose he's not being
>approximate, so it's fine.
chup 'eSSIm, 'ej tlheD luneH 'ach ngoy'mo' HoD ra' 'e' qellaw' vajar.
> > pay' bebDaq chuSqu' vay'. qachDaq Suppu''a' HIvwI'? betleHDaj woH vajar.
> > QumwI'vaD jachchoH Mahoun. chuStaH beb. lojmIt chuq luchovlaw' Mahoun
> > mInDu'. Dung bej vajar. jotlaw' 'eSSIm neH. jatlh 'eSSIm, =93SISqu'choH=
pu'.=94
>
>qen chuch moQmey SISbogh vISIQ. puH Duj law' QIH. wa'Hu' wanI'
>vIqawtaHmo', beb chuS Qoylu'DI' SIbI' muD Dotlh vIqel.
vay' ghIjlaH muD Dotlh 'e' vISov. wa'logh =
jI'ortaHvIS SISchoH. qaS wa'maH vagh tup ghIq =
jIjatlh, "SIStaHvIS SomDaq Doj wab, qar'a'?"
jatlh raQpo'wI', "SIS'a' neH?!" qaSlI' lot 'e' Haj raQpo' 'ach ghelvIppu'!
> > lojmIt poSmoH 'eSSIm. SISbej. leghmeH lojmIt chol vajar. yav qIpDI' bIQ,
> > Supqu'. "tugh rIn," jatlh 'eSSIm. "jarvam pIj qaS."
>
>DaH tujHa'moH 'engmeyvetlh chong. 'ej chaq SISmo' jol noch nISbe'choH
>muD tatmey.
chaq.
> > jatlh Mahoun, =93jItlhI=ADHagh qoHpu' neH HeghtaHvIS SuvwI'pu'.=94 quSD=
aq ba'qa'.
>
>tlhIngan qa'Hom rItlaHlaw' Mahoun.
Daj qech.
> > Haghbe' 'e' Qap vajar. tlhIngan loDHom qawmoH Suy. jatlh Mahoun, =93jIj=
olpa'
> > naDev cha' tlhInganpu' neH tu' noch. jatlh QeDpInwI' HungpInwI' je, muD=
Daq
> > law'mo' tatmey QapHa'laH noch, jolpat je.
>
>qay'pu' tatmeyvetlh 'e' vISovqu'!
lutvam laD je taghwI'pu' 'e' vItulmo', potlhDI' vay' vIQIjqu'.
> > 'ach 'anDornganpu'wI' DIqel.
> > wa'maH vagh qama' lutu'lu'. Heghpu' jav vIqIHpa'. qatlh Qorgh pagh?=94
> >
> > lut ghov 'eSSIm 'e' loS vajar 'ach wanI' =
> Sovbe'law'. Qup. lut ja'choH vajar.
>
>potlhbe''a' wanI'? qun HaDbe''a'? tugh jISovchoHjaj...'ej tugh yajjaj Hoch.
puq poHvaD retlh potlh wanI'meychaj. lutmey chu' =
ghajmo' latlhpu', lutmey ngo' ghojbe'. Unless you're ghutar.
- Qov =
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