[92766] in tlhIngan-Hol
Re: [Tlhingan-hol] A vague example at last from Monopoly
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Steven Boozer)
Thu Apr 5 09:56:06 2012
From: Steven Boozer <sboozer@uchicago.edu>
To: "tlhingan-hol@stodi.digitalkingdom.org"
<tlhingan-hol@stodi.digitalkingdom.org>
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 08:55:42 -0500
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Thanks for these.
{jubbe'wI'} "mortal (person)" is also the first use of {jub} "be immortal"/=
{jubbe'} "be mortal". It's also AFAIK the first canonical example of {VERB=
+be'wI'} although we've used this pattern for years on the List.
As for {molor HoS waw'} "Molor's seat of power"... In SkyBox card S27 we s=
ee {tlhIngan qum waw'} "the center of the Klingon government". However Mon=
opoly has {pIraqSIS HoS waw'} "Praxis Energy Facility". Tempora mutantur, =
nos et mutamur in illis. From seat of (political) power to a power plant!
--
Voragh
Ca'Non Master of the Klingons
From: Felix Malmenbeck [mailto:felixm@kth.se]
There's two more examples [of {vegh}] in paq'batlh:
QIStaq qoD DISDaq
tu''egh qeylIS'e'
DIS veghlu'chugh
pa' Heghpu'bogh nuvpu' qa'pu' tu'lu'
In the heart of Kri'stak,
Kahless finds himself in a cave
Leading to
The world beyond the living
lojmItDaj veghta'DI' jubbe'wI'
yInqa'meH chegh 'e' botnIS qotar
qeylIS HoHmeH qotar qeylIS SamnIS
Still, Kotar cannot let a mortal
Pass his gates and return alive,
Kahless must be hunted down and killed.
On a related note, paq'batlh also contains a use of juS ("overtake, pass"):
ghIq SIqralDaq
molor HoS waw' lupawmeH
bIQtIq HeH juS SuvwI' ghom
The band of warriors then went
Past the shore to the river Skral,
To Molor's seat of power.
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ace=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>Thanks for these.&=
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an></font></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman">=
<span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>{jubbe’wI’} “mortal (per=
son)” is also the first use of {jub} “be immortal”/{jubbe=
’} “be mortal”. It’s also AFAIK the first can=
onical example of {VERB+be’wI’} although we’ve used this =
pattern for years on the List.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><div><p class=3D=
MsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:=
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=
=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>As for {molo=
r HoS waw’} “Molor’s seat of power”… In=
SkyBox card S27 we see {tlhIngan qum waw'} “the center of the Klingo=
n government”. However Monopoly has {pIraqSIS HoS waw'} “=
Praxis Energy Facility”. Tempora mutantur, nos et mutamur in il=
lis. From seat of (political) power to a power plant! <o:p></o:=
p></span></font></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New R=
oman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><=
p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'=
font-size:12.0pt'>--<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><font=
size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>Voragh<=
o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Tim=
es New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>Ca'Non Master of the Klingon=
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C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D=
2 face=3DTahoma><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-=
serif";font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=3D2 face=3DTahom=
a><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Felix=
Malmenbeck [mailto:felixm@kth.se] <br><br><o:p></o:p></span></font></p></d=
iv></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font siz=
e=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DTahoma><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-fami=
ly:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>There's two more examples </span></fo=
nt><font size=3D2 color=3D"#1f497d" face=3DTahoma><span style=3D'font-size:=
10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>[of {vegh}] </span>=
</font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DTahoma><span style=3D'font-size:=
10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>in paq'batlh:<br><br>=
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>QIStaq qoD DISDaq<br>tu''egh qeylIS'e'<=
br>DIS </span></b></span></font><b><font size=3D2 color=3Dred face=3DTahoma=
><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:re=
d;font-weight:bold'>vegh</span></font></b><b><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack f=
ace=3DTahoma><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-ser=
if";color:black;font-weight:bold'>lu'chugh<br>pa' Heghpu'bogh nuvpu' qa'pu'=
tu'lu'<br></span></font></b><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DTahoma><sp=
an style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'=
><br>In the heart of Kri'stak,<br>Kahless finds himself in a cave<br>Leadin=
g to<br>The world beyond the living<br><br><br><b><span style=3D'font-weigh=
t:bold'>lojmItDaj </span></b></span></font><b><font size=3D2 color=3Dred fa=
ce=3DTahoma><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-seri=
f";color:red;font-weight:bold'>vegh</span></font></b><b><font size=3D2 colo=
r=3Dblack face=3DTahoma><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma=
","sans-serif";color:black;font-weight:bold'>ta'DI' jubbe'wI'<br>yInqa'meH =
chegh 'e' botnIS qotar<br>qeylIS HoHmeH qotar qeylIS SamnIS<br></span></fon=
t></b><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DTahoma><span style=3D'font-size:1=
0.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'><br>Still, Kotar canno=
t let a mortal<br>Pass his gates and return alive,<br>Kahless must be hunte=
d down and killed.<br><br><br>On a related note, paq'batlh also contains a =
use of <b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>juS</span></b> ("overtake, =
pass"):<br><br><b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>ghIq SIqralDaq<br>m=
olor HoS waw' lupawmeH<br>bIQtIq HeH </span></b></span></font><b><font size=
=3D2 color=3Dred face=3DTahoma><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:=
"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:red;font-weight:bold'>juS</span></font></b><b><=
font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DTahoma><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;f=
ont-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black;font-weight:bold'> SuvwI' ghom=
<br></span></font></b><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DTahoma><span styl=
e=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'><br>Th=
e band of warriors then went<br>Past the shore to the river Skral,<br>To Mo=
lor's seat of power.<br><br><br></span></font><font size=3D2 color=3D"#1f49=
7d" face=3D"Courier New"><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Couri=
er New";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div></div></div></bod=
y></html>=
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