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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] New Canon - King John Shakespeare
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (lojmIt tI'wI'nuv)
Wed Mar 21 16:16:56 2012
From: lojmIt tI'wI'nuv <lojmitti7wi7nuv@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2012 16:16:37 -0400
In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.2.20120321121346.04939660@flyingstart.ca>
To: tlhIngan-Hol <tlhingan-hol@kli.org>
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There have been a lot of confident pronouncements about how to interpret =
when you should use {bID} before or after a noun without much in the way =
of explanation citing any kind of canon or rule from Okrand.
We know that of whole numbers {cha' paH} would be "two gowns", while =
{paH cha'} would be "gown #2" (another way of saying "the second gown"). =
So, might {bID paH} refer to half of a gown while {paH bID} might refer =
to the gown's half? (As in gown #0.5)
That second one would be far-fetched, perhaps, but it would be more =
meaningful with plurals:
bID paHmey - Half of the gowns
paHmey bID - The half-gowns
I don't feel very solid here, and I don't quite understand why others =
seem to be more confident. I'm suspecting that Okrand is just sloppy in =
how he's used {bID} and he hasn't explained what it's supposed to mean, =
perhaps because he hasn't decided what it is supposed to mean.
pItlh
lojmIt tI'wI'nuv
On Mar 21, 2012, at 3:17 PM, Robyn Stewart wrote:
> At 11:23 '?????' 3/21/2012, De'vID jonpIn wrote:
>> Voragh:
>> > We have two new examples from "TalkNow! Klingon":
>> >
>> > yopwaH bID shorts (pants)
>> > paH bID skirt
>>=20
>> Mini-skirt: {paHHom bID} or {paH bIDHom} (or neither)?
>=20
> paH bID tIqHa'. qIvDu' 'angbogh paH bID. Sa'Hut qatchu'be'bogh paH =
bID. nISbe'bogh paH bID vItuQlaHtaH Do qam DujwIj vIlIghtaHvIS.
>=20
> - Qov=20
>=20
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<html><head></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">There =
have been a lot of confident pronouncements about how to interpret when =
you should use {bID} before or after a noun without much in the way of =
explanation citing any kind of canon or rule from =
Okrand.<div><br></div><div>We know that of whole numbers {cha' paH} =
would be "two gowns", while {paH cha'} would be "gown #2" (another way =
of saying "the second gown"). So, might {bID paH} refer to half of a =
gown while {paH bID} might refer to the gown's half? (As in gown =
#0.5)</div><div><br></div><div>That second one would be far-fetched, =
perhaps, but it would be more meaningful with =
plurals:</div><div><br></div><div>bID paHmey - Half of the =
gowns<br><div><br></div><div>paHmey bID - The =
half-gowns</div><div><br></div><div>I don't feel very solid here, and I =
don't quite understand why others seem to be more confident. I'm =
suspecting that Okrand is just sloppy in how he's used {bID} and he =
hasn't explained what it's supposed to mean, perhaps because he hasn't =
decided what it is supposed to mean.</div><div><br><div>
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<br><div><div>On Mar 21, 2012, at 3:17 PM, Robyn Stewart wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>At =
11:23 '?????' 3/21/2012, De'vID jonpIn wrote:<br><blockquote =
type=3D"cite">Voragh:<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">> We =
have two new examples from "TalkNow! =
Klingon":<br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite">><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">> =
yopwaH bID shorts (pants)<br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite">> paH bID =
skirt<br></blo=
ckquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite">Mini-skirt: {paHHom bID} or {paH bIDHom} (or =
neither)?<br></blockquote><br> paH bID tIqHa'. qIvDu' 'angbogh paH bID. =
Sa'Hut qatchu'be'bogh paH bID. nISbe'bogh paH bID vItuQlaHtaH Do qam =
DujwIj vIlIghtaHvIS.<br><br>- Qov =
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