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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] qungmey bommey je
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Wiechu)
Thu Feb 2 11:57:25 2012
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From: Wiechu <ddanecki@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2012 17:56:47 +0100
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Hi!
I've read your translation. I don't know the original version of that song
or poem. I am also only a beginner in Klingon so please be patient with me
:)
Saying {qoH'a' loDnal}, did you mean foolish husband ? according to what
I've read in TKD such a construction should be understood as N1's N2 or
alternatively N2 of N1. TKD page 30 chapter 3.4. So in that case it seems
to be fool's husband or husband of the fool (or great/huge fool {-'a'}).
Please correct me if I'm wrong. Wouldn't loDnal Doghqu' suit here better ?
What did you mean by Sor nItlh ? Wooden stick ? Wooden finger ?
tIqHa'qu' ? was it supposed to mean too long ?
Shouldn't there be {-moH} in sentence: {chay=92 taj vIjej, lIySa=92} ? how
knife I'm sharp ? {chay' taj vIjejmoH, lIySa'} That's breaks number of
syllabes in that line though. That would apply to the whole verse.
Same about {jejmeH nagh let yIlo=92}, although I'm not entirely sure here.
{jejmoHmeH nagh let yIlo'} ? Whole verse again.
In {chay=92 yIQ vIqeng, lIySa=92} didn't you want to say {bIQ} - water ?. W=
hole
verse again.
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Wiechu
Took me several hours to translate this, recasting some as I went, but I
> think I got the gist. Thanks to matlh for a particular vocabulary word!
>
> =91unDaq =91oH qung, lIySa=92
>
> be=92naloywI=92 lIySa=92
>
> =91unDaq oH qung, lIySa=92
>
> be=92nalwI=92, =91oH qung
>
> ** **
>
> qung yItI=92 qoH=92a=92 loDnal
>
> HenrI=92 qoH=92a=92 loDnal
>
> qung yItI=92 qoH=92a=92 loDnal
>
> HenrI=92 yItI=92qu=92!
>
> ** **
>
> chay=92 qung vItI=92, lIySa=92
>
> be=92naloywI=92 lIySa=92
>
> chay=92 qung vItI=92, lIySa=92
>
> benaloywI=92, chay=92?
>
> ** **
>
> Sor nItlh yIlo=92, HenrI=92
>
> qoH=92a=92 loDnal HenrI=92
>
> Sor nItlh yIlo=92, HenrI=92
>
> Sor nItlh yIlo=92qu=92!
>
> ** **
>
> =91ach Sor nItlh tIqHa=92qu=92
>
> be=92naloywI=92 lIySa=92
>
> =91ach Sor nItlh tIqHa=92qu=92
>
> Sor nItlh tIqHa=92qu=92!
>
> ** **
>
> yIpe=92nIS qoH=92a=92 loDnal
>
> HenrI=92 qoH=92a=92 loDnal
>
> yIpe=92nIS qoH=92a=92 loDnal
>
> yIpe=92nIS!
>
> ** **
>
> chay=92 nItlh vIpe=92, lIySa=92
>
> be=92naloywI=92 lIySa=92
>
> chay=92 nItlh vIpe=92, lIySa=92
>
> chay=92 Sor nItlh vIpe=92?
>
> ** **
>
> taj yIlo=92nIS, HenrI=92
>
> qoH=92a=92 loDnal HenrI=92
>
> taj yIlo=92nIS, HenrI=92
>
> taj yIlo=92nISqu=92!
>
> ** **
>
> =91ach jejHa=92qu=92, lIySa=92
>
> be=92naloywI=92 lIySa=92
>
> =91ach jejHa=92qu=92, lIySa=92
>
> =91ach jejHa=92qu=92 taj
>
> ** **
>
> taj yIjejmoH HenrI=92
>
> qoH=92a=92 loDnal HenrI=92
>
> taj yIjejmoH HenrI=92
>
> DaH taj yIjejmoH!
>
> ** **
>
> chay=92 taj vIjej, lIySa=92
>
> be=92naloywI=92 lIySa=92
>
> chay=92 taj vIjej, lIySa=92
>
> chay=92 tajvam vIjej?
>
> ** **
>
> jejmeH nagh let yIlo=92
>
> qoH=92a=92 loDnal, HenrI=92
>
> jejmeH nagh let yIlo=92
>
> nagh let yIlo=92nIS!
>
> ** **
>
> =91ach QaDqu=92 nagh, lIySa=92
>
> be=92naloywI=92 lIySa=92
>
> =91ach QaDqu=92 nagh, lIySa=92
>
> QaDqu=92 jejmeH nagh
>
> ** **
>
> nagh yIyIQmoH, HenrI=92
>
> qoH=92a=92 loDnal HenrI=92
>
> nagh yIyIQmoH, HenrI=92
>
> qoH=92a=92 yIyIQmoH!
>
> ** **
>
> chay=92 yIQ vIqeng, lIySa=92
>
> be=92naloywI=92 lIySa=92
>
> chay=92 yIQ vIqeng, lIySa=92
>
> be=92naloywI=92, chay=92?
>
> ** **
>
> =91unDaq yIqeng, HenrI=92
>
> qoH=92a=92 loDnal HenrI=92
>
> =91unDaq yIqeng, HenrI=92
>
> =91unDaq yIQ yIqeng!
>
> ** **
>
> =91ach=85=92unDaq =91oH qung, lIySa=92
>
> be=92naloywI=92 lIySa=92
>
> =91unDaq =91oH qung, lIySa=92
>
> be=92nalwI=92, =91oH qung=85
>
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<div>Hi!</div><div><br></div>I've read your translation. I don't kn=
ow the original version of that song or poem. I am also only a beginner in =
Klingon so please be patient with me :)<div><br></div><div>Saying {qoH'=
a' loDnal}, did you mean foolish husband ? according to what I've r=
ead in TKD such a construction should be understood as N1's N2 or alter=
natively N2 of N1. TKD page 30 chapter 3.4. So in that case it seems to be =
fool's husband or husband of the fool (or great/huge fool {-'a'=
}). Please correct me if I'm wrong. Wouldn't loDnal Doghqu' sui=
t here better ?</div>
<div><br></div><div>What did you mean by Sor nItlh ? Wooden stick ? Wooden =
finger ?</div><div><br></div><div>tIqHa'qu' ? was it supposed to me=
an too long ?</div><div><br></div><div>Shouldn't there be {-moH} in sen=
tence: {chay=92 taj vIjej, lIySa=92} ? how knife I'm sharp ? {chay'=
taj vIjejmoH, lIySa'} That's breaks number of syllabes in that lin=
e though. That would apply to the whole verse.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Same about {jejmeH nagh let yIlo=92}, although I'm =
not entirely sure here. {jejmoHmeH nagh let yIlo'} ? Whole verse again.=
</div><div><br></div><div>In {chay=92 yIQ vIqeng, lIySa=92} didn't you =
want to say {bIQ} - water ?. Whole verse again.</div>
<div><br></div><div><span style=3D"border-collapse:collapse;color:rgb(136,1=
36,136)">--<br>Wiechu<br></span>
<br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><div><div class=3D"gmail_quote=
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Took me several hours to translate this, recasting some as I went,
but I think I got the gist.=A0 Thanks to matlh for a particular
vocabulary word!<br>
<br>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">=91unDaq =91oH qung, lIySa=
=92</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">be=92naloywI=92 lIySa=92</s=
pan></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">=91unDaq oH qung, lIySa=92<=
/span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">be=92nalwI=92, =91oH qung</=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB"><u></u>=A0<u></u></span></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">qung yItI=92 qoH=92a=92 loD=
nal</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">HenrI=92 qoH=92a=92 loDnal<=
/span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">qung yItI=92 qoH=92a=92 loD=
nal</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">HenrI=92 yItI=92qu=92!</spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB"><u></u>=A0<u></u></span></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">chay=92 qung vItI=92, lIySa=
=92</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">be=92naloywI=92 lIySa=92</s=
pan></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">chay=92 qung vItI=92, lIySa=
=92</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">benaloywI=92, chay=92?</spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB"><u></u>=A0<u></u></span></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">Sor nItlh yIlo=92, HenrI=92=
</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">qoH=92a=92 loDnal HenrI=92<=
/span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">Sor nItlh yIlo=92, HenrI=92=
</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">Sor nItlh yIlo=92qu=92!</sp=
an></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB"><u></u>=A0<u></u></span></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">=91ach Sor nItlh tIqHa=92qu=
=92</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">be=92naloywI=92 lIySa=92</s=
pan></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">=91ach Sor nItlh tIqHa=92qu=
=92</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">Sor nItlh tIqHa=92qu=92!</s=
pan></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB"><u></u>=A0<u></u></span></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">yIpe=92nIS qoH=92a=92 loDna=
l</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">HenrI=92 qoH=92a=92 loDnal<=
/span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">yIpe=92nIS qoH=92a=92 loDna=
l</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">yIpe=92nIS!</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB"><u></u>=A0<u></u></span></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">chay=92 nItlh vIpe=92, lIyS=
a=92</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">be=92naloywI=92 lIySa=92</s=
pan></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">chay=92 nItlh vIpe=92, lIyS=
a=92</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">chay=92 Sor nItlh vIpe=92?<=
/span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB"><u></u>=A0<u></u></span></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">taj yIlo=92nIS, HenrI=92</s=
pan></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">qoH=92a=92 loDnal HenrI=92<=
/span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">taj yIlo=92nIS, HenrI=92</s=
pan></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">taj yIlo=92nISqu=92!</span>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB"><u></u>=A0<u></u></span></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">=91ach jejHa=92qu=92, lIySa=
=92</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">be=92naloywI=92 lIySa=92</s=
pan></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">=91ach jejHa=92qu=92, lIySa=
=92</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">=91ach jejHa=92qu=92 taj</s=
pan></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB"><u></u>=A0<u></u></span></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">taj yIjejmoH HenrI=92</span=
></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">qoH=92a=92 loDnal HenrI=92<=
/span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">taj yIjejmoH HenrI=92</span=
></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">DaH taj yIjejmoH!</span></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB"><u></u>=A0<u></u></span></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">chay=92 taj vIjej, lIySa=92=
</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">be=92naloywI=92 lIySa=92</s=
pan></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">chay=92 taj vIjej, lIySa=92=
</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">chay=92 tajvam vIjej?</span=
></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB"><u></u>=A0<u></u></span></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">jejmeH nagh let yIlo=92</sp=
an></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">qoH=92a=92 loDnal, HenrI=92=
</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">jejmeH nagh let yIlo=92</sp=
an></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">nagh let yIlo=92nIS!</span>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB"><u></u>=A0<u></u></span></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">=91ach QaDqu=92 nagh, lIySa=
=92</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">be=92naloywI=92 lIySa=92</s=
pan></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">=91ach QaDqu=92 nagh, lIySa=
=92</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">QaDqu=92<span>=A0
</span>jejmeH nagh</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB"><u></u>=A0<u></u></span></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">nagh yIyIQmoH, HenrI=92</sp=
an></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">qoH=92a=92 loDnal HenrI=92<=
/span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">nagh yIyIQmoH, HenrI=92</sp=
an></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">qoH=92a=92 yIyIQmoH!</span>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB"><u></u>=A0<u></u></span></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">chay=92 yIQ vIqeng, lIySa=
=92</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">be=92naloywI=92 lIySa=92</s=
pan></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">chay=92 yIQ vIqeng, lIySa=
=92</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">be=92naloywI=92, chay=92?</=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB"><u></u>=A0<u></u></span></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">=91unDaq yIqeng, HenrI=92</=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">qoH=92a=92 loDnal HenrI=92<=
/span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">=91unDaq yIqeng, HenrI=92</=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">=91unDaq yIQ yIqeng!</span>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB"><u></u>=A0<u></u></span></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">=91ach=85=92unDaq =91oH qun=
g, lIySa=92</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">be=92naloywI=92 lIySa=92</s=
pan></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">=91unDaq =91oH qung, lIySa=
=92</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">be=92nalwI=92, =91oH qung=
=85</span></p>
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