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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] More new words from Maltz
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Felix Malmenbeck)
Tue Jan 31 11:32:34 2012
From: Felix Malmenbeck <felixm@kth.se>
To: Terrence Donnelly <terrence.donnelly@sbcglobal.net>,
"tlhingan-hol@kli.org" <tlhingan-hol@kli.org>
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 16:32:01 +0000
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Very true. However, I suspect the comment about QemjIqmey being fillable and qungmey not was a bit of a misdtatement; after all, one can fill most small qungmey with a bit of lam Dogh.
I suspect the distinction is about one of two things:
1) Topology: Depressions(holes with "dead ends") are QemjIqmey, true holes are qungmey.
2) The depth of the material: Much like the way 'ab refers to "longish, skinnyish things", perhaps qungmey refer to punctures in "membranish, sheetlike things"; things with depths that are small compared to width and length.
2) strikes me as being the more natural distinction to make, alrhough I personally prefer 1).
Neither 1) nor 2) satisfies Okrand's non-fillability criterion, however.
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From: Terrence Donnelly [terrence.donnelly@sbcglobal.net]
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2012 16:34
To: tlhingan-hol@kli.org
Subject: Re: [Tlhingan-hol] More new words from Maltz
You're probably right in general, but I would point out that you can easily "fill" the mouth of a bottle by putting a cork or other stopper in it (I believe we have seen many bottles on Star Trek that were closed with stoppers).
-- ter'eS
--- On Tue, 1/31/12, Lieven Litaer <lieven.litaer@web.de> wrote:
From: Lieven Litaer <lieven.litaer@web.de>
Subject: Re: [Tlhingan-hol] More new words from Maltz
To: tlhingan-hol@kli.org
Date: Tuesday, January 31, 2012, 6:48 AM
ter'eS wrote:
How about QemjIq as the mouth of a bottle? Topologically it's not much different from the soundhole of a musical instrument with a soundbox.
I think of the mouth of a bottle more like a {qung}, you can put your finger through it and you cannot fill it. If you fill it, it's the bottle you fill, not its mouth.
Nevertheless, I'm sure Klingons have their own word for that, or call it like you did the "mouth" of the bottle. It doesn't sound correct to say "There's a hole in the bottle." In that case it's broken :-)
By the way, I'm pretty sure you can {vegh} a {qung}, as long as it's large enough.
Lieven.
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