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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Klingon Word of the Day: rIQ
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Felix Malmenbeck)
Mon Jan 30 17:45:28 2012
From: Felix Malmenbeck <felixm@kth.se>
To: Brent Kesler <brent.of.all.people@gmail.com>, "tlhingan-hol@kli.org"
<tlhingan-hol@kli.org>
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 22:45:03 +0000
In-Reply-To: <CAFgJOr0NFoLTPCOw_xPhrttD=8oNQCLqt1XyZB_aztUMG29=ng@mail.gmail.com>
Errors-To: tlhingan-hol-bounces@stodi.digitalkingdom.org
> To me, it sounds something has started to hurt you but hasn't finished yet. Like if someone stabbed you, and you could feel the point of the blade cut > into you, but at that moment you know your attacker is still pushing the blade deeper. Or if someone were breaking your arm, and you could feel the > bone fracture, but it hasn't yet snapped. That's what I'd think if I heard you say <jIrIQlI'>.
I'd use <rIQchoHlI'> for that; in the process of becoming injured.
Looking at TKD, it seems that for -lI' to be used, all that's required is a known goal or definite endpoint, which I suppose could be the end of one's injury.
jIrIQlI' - I'm injured, but I'll recover.
jIrIQtaH - I'm injured; perhaps I'm recover, perhaps not.
That being said, in TKD MO also mentions -lI' as being a bit like a continuous counterpart to -ta', suggesting that -lI' may imply doing something intentionally. The examples I could find also support this.
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From: Brent Kesler [brent.of.all.people@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 21:43
To: tlhingan-hol@kli.org
Subject: Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Klingon Word of the Day: rIQ
On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 8:22 AM, Felix Malmenbeck <felixm@kth.se<mailto:felixm@kth.se>> wrote:
Could one say <jIrIQlI'> if one is convinced the injury will pass, or would that imply that the injury was intentionally inflicted ("I'm tempering my body to become a strlnger warrior." / "Terran bachelor parties are all about pranks and strippers. On Qo'noS, Kal'hyah wIpawmeH marIQlI'.").
To me, it sounds something has started to hurt you but hasn't finished yet. Like if someone stabbed you, and you could feel the point of the blade cut into you, but at that moment you know your attacker is still pushing the blade deeper. Or if someone were breaking your arm, and you could feel the bone fracture, but it hasn't yet snapped. That's what I'd think if I heard you say <jIrIQlI'>.
bI'reng
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