[91929] in tlhIngan-Hol
Re: [Tlhingan-hol] qo''e' tu'bogh pagh - 'ay' chorgh
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Gaerfindel)
Sat Jan 28 19:41:50 2012
Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2012 19:41:26 -0500
From: Gaerfindel <gaerfindel@hotmail.com>
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*jIghlthpu'. jIjatlh:**
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I tried recasting "nature abhors a vacuum." {tlheDDI' wa'DIch 'elnIS
cha'DIch.}
*ghItlhpu' Robyn Stewart. jang:*
I would cast further than that. I don't see that "nature abhors a
vacuum" is especially relevant to Spock's nepotism here. He's just
saying that he wants there to be a succession, and trying to
encapsulate it in a pithy saying. I might go with Dal pagh jagh, but
mataHmeH maSachnIS, and indeed many from TKW seem relevant here.
*ghItlh Felix Malmenbeck. jang:*
..If one is to go with Qov qech of recasting it to something more Klingon:y, then perhaps:
yanwI' poQ yan - A sword needs a wielder.
lo'laHbe' yanwI' Hutlhbogh yan'a' - A sword without a wielder is worthless
pagh jagh HoH yan yanlu'be'bogh - A sword not wielded slays no foe
HeghmoHlaHbe' yan yanchugh pagh - A sword cannot bring death if none wields it
pagh jaH jonta' Hutlhbogh Duj'e' - A ship without an engine goes nowhere
[I'd love to suggest HoD poQ Duj, but since the ship actually HAS a captain and that's not the position he's talking about, it seems rather inappropriate]
yaS poQ yaH - A duty station needs an officer
poQchuq yaH yaS je - A duty station and an officer need each other
poQchuq yaS Qu' je - A mission and an officer need each other
...or the classic:
'etlh QorghHa'lu'chugh ragh 'etlh nIvqu' 'ej jejHa'choH.
"Even the best blade will rust and grow dull unless it is cared for."
I'd love a good old Klingon truism, perhaps something like chIm HIq Hutlhbogh HIvje''e' {A glass without drink is empty}, or HIvje' chImvo' tlhutlhlaH pagh {Noone can drink from an empty glass}, or even pagh Soj SoplaH pagh {Nobody can eat no food} but that feels extremely un-Spock:y.
*jIjang:*
chIm HIq Hulthbogh HIvje''e' muDuQ law' Hoch muDuQ puS.
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<b><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">jIghlthpu'. jIjatlh:</font></b><font
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<blockquote><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">I tried
recasting "nature abhors a vacuum." {tlheDDI' wa'DIch 'elnIS
cha'DIch.}</font><br>
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<big><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif"><b><small>ghItlhpu'
Robyn Stewart. jang:</small></b><br>
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<pre wrap=""><big><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">I would cast further than that. I don't see that "nature abhors a
vacuum" is especially relevant to Spock's nepotism here. He's just
saying that he wants there to be a succession, and trying to
encapsulate it in a pithy saying. I might go with Dal pagh jagh, but
mataHmeH maSachnIS, and indeed many from TKW seem relevant here.</font></big></pre>
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<b><small>ghItlh Felix Malmenbeck. jang:</small></b><br>
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<pre wrap=""><big><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">..If one is to go with Qov qech of recasting it to something more Klingon:y, then perhaps:
yanwI' poQ yan - A sword needs a wielder.
lo'laHbe' yanwI' Hutlhbogh yan'a' - A sword without a wielder is worthless
pagh jagh HoH yan yanlu'be'bogh - A sword not wielded slays no foe
HeghmoHlaHbe' yan yanchugh pagh - A sword cannot bring death if none wields it
pagh jaH jonta' Hutlhbogh Duj'e' - A ship without an engine goes nowhere
[I'd love to suggest HoD poQ Duj, but since the ship actually HAS a captain and that's not the position he's talking about, it seems rather inappropriate]
yaS poQ yaH - A duty station needs an officer
poQchuq yaH yaS je - A duty station and an officer need each other
poQchuq yaS Qu' je - A mission and an officer need each other
...or the classic:
'etlh QorghHa'lu'chugh ragh 'etlh nIvqu' 'ej jejHa'choH.
"Even the best blade will rust and grow dull unless it is cared for."
I'd love a good old Klingon truism, perhaps something like chIm HIq Hutlhbogh HIvje''e' {A glass without drink is empty}, or HIvje' chImvo' tlhutlhlaH pagh {Noone can drink from an empty glass}, or even pagh Soj SoplaH pagh {Nobody can eat no food} but that feels extremely un-Spock:y.
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<pre wrap=""><big><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif"><b>jIjang:</b>
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<blockquote><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">chIm HIq
Hulthbogh HIvje''e' muDuQ law' Hoch muDuQ puS.</font><br>
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