[91835] in tlhIngan-Hol
Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Newbie question about vIneHbogh construction
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Felix Malmenbeck)
Wed Jan 25 08:16:18 2012
From: Felix Malmenbeck <felixm@kth.se>
To: Gaerfindel <gaerfindel@hotmail.com>,
"tlhingan-hol@stodi.digitalkingdom.org"
<tlhingan-hol@stodi.digitalkingdom.org>
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 13:15:18 +0000
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SuStel's solution is very good, but I shall make an alternative suggestion that will probably make some people scream with horror:
vIleghmeH DochmeyvaD vIneHbogh 'eywI'mey vIpong.
"I call the things I want 'delivious things'"
vIta'meH Qu''e' poQbogh qeylIS vIpar.
"I don't like the mission that qeylIS demands I accomplish."
verengan Ha'DIbaH 'oH vISawmeH be''e' wIvbogh vavwI'.
"The woman father has chosen for me to marry is a Ferengi dog."
vISawmeH be' vIwIvbogh lajQo' SoSwI'.
"Mother rejects the woman I've chosen for marriage."
nuq Qub latlh? mu'tlheghmeyvam vIghItlhDI' jIpabHa'qu''a'?
In some of these cases, one could view the -meH as being either the purpose of a the first verb (Kahless requires a task for completion by me, but I don't like it) or the second (Kahless demands a mission; I don't enjoy the prospect of completing it), or even the noun (I dislike the mission-to-be-completed-by-me chosen by Kahless).
In the third sentence, however, it is quite specifically a "purpose noun", so perhaps it should be just <SawmeH be''e' wIvbogh vavwI'> ("the for-marriage-woman father has chosen"), not <vISawmeH be''e' wIvbogh vavwI'> ("the for-marriage-by-me-woman father has chosen"). One could perhaps also see it as modifying the first verb, but I'm not sure that's allowed in a sentence like this.
> vIghItlh quljIb. jang:
> mu'tlhegh cha'DIch yajlaH law' mu'tlhegh wa'DIch wejDUch loSDIch je yajlaH puS.
yajlaH'a' mu'tlhegh?
qech DayajmeH SuStel mu'tlhegh cha'DIch qaq law' SuStel latlh mu'tlheghmey qaq puS.
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