daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (De'vID jonpIn)
Sun Jan 22 18:00:37 2012
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 00:00:21 +0100
From: "De'vID jonpIn" <de.vid.jonpin@gmail.com>
To: KLI <tlhingan-hol@kli.org>
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QeS 'utlh:
> > > Makes sense. If that's the case, then in order to say that you cover
> > > X with Y, you'd have to say {X velmeH Y vIlo'} or {Y-vaD X vIvelmoH};
De'vID:
> > > I think you mean {X-vaD Y vIvelmoH}?
QeS 'utlh:
> > Nope. We only have a single clear example of a causative of a divalent
> > verb, but it shows that it's the *subject* of the non-causative form
> > that gets demoted to the {-vaD} position in the causative, so:
> >
> > ghaHvaD quHDaj qawmoH
> > It reminds him of his heritage. (S20)
De'vID:
> *mind blown*
Maybe I can translate this line like so:
It is imperative that we act now to support the Gorkon initiative, lest
more conservative elements persuade his Empire that it is better to attempt
a military solution and die fighting.
ghorqon jInmol'a' wIlajnIS 'ej wInumnIS. DaH mavangbe'chugh, wo'DajvaD
qechvam luHarmoH choHqangbe'wI'pu': SuvtaHvIS Hegh qaq law' yIn qaq puS.
I wonder if {pon} works the same way as {HarmoH} (i.e., {vay'vaD qech pon})?
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<p><br>
QeS 'utlh:<br>
> > > Makes sense. If that's the case, then in order to say that you cover<br>
> > > X with Y, you'd have to say {X velmeH Y vIlo'} or {Y-vaD X vIvelmoH};</p>
<p>De'vID:<br>
> > > I think you mean {X-vaD Y vIvelmoH}?</p>
<p>QeS 'utlh:<br>
> > Nope. We only have a single clear example of a causative of a divalent<br>
> > verb, but it shows that it's the *subject* of the non-causative form<br>
> > that gets demoted to the {-vaD} position in the causative, so:<br>
> ><br>
> > ghaHvaD quHDaj qawmoH<br>
> > It reminds him of his heritage. (S20)</p>
<p>De'vID:<br>
> *mind blown*</p>
<p>Maybe I can translate this line like so:</p>
<p>It is imperative that we act now to support the Gorkon initiative, lest more conservative elements persuade his Empire that it is better to attempt a military solution and die fighting.</p>
<p>ghorqon jInmol'a' wIlajnIS 'ej wInumnIS. DaH mavangbe'chugh, wo'DajvaD qechvam luHarmoH choHqangbe'wI'pu': SuvtaHvIS Hegh qaq law' yIn qaq puS. </p>
<p>I wonder if {pon} works the same way as {HarmoH} (i.e., {vay'vaD qech pon})?</p>
<p>--<br>
De'vID </p>
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