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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] qo''e' tu'bogh pagh - 'ay' wej
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (De'vID jonpIn)
Fri Jan 20 08:12:59 2012
In-Reply-To: <BAY166-W19003AC35462A64E5E4702AA830@phx.gbl>
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 14:12:42 +0100
From: "De'vID jonpIn" <de.vid.jonpin@gmail.com>
To: tlhingan-hol@kli.org
Errors-To: tlhingan-hol-bounces@stodi.digitalkingdom.org
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De'vID:
> > Actually, I thought about {ghIgh bajtaH} "he's earning his necklace
> > (slang for assignment)". Then I thought maybe it was too slangy.
QeS 'utlh:
> Hm. McCoy really is the most informal and slangy of the crew in the film
so
> {ghIgh} might actually go well here; it'd help to capture McCoy's
character.
> I think it'd work, but if it still feels too slangy, no worries.
maj. McCoy will speak slang.
> De'vID:
> > KIRK: nuqDaq ghaH *Spock*'e'?
> jang Quvar, jatlh:
> > We do know that in "to be at a place" constructions, the pronoun
> > usually takes the suffix {-taH}. This was done correctly in the first
> > sentence, but missing in this question. Is this an eception here?
QeS 'utlh:
> Actually, yes, I think so. Specifically in questions with {nuqDaq}, it
seems
> to be usual to omit {-taH}. The examples I know from canon all lack it:
>
> nuqDaq 'oH puchpa''e'?
> Where is the bathroom? (PK, CK, and Radio Times)
>
> nuqDaq 'oH jengva''e'?
> Where is the plate? (KGT)
>
> nuqDaq 'oH ngop'e'?
> Where are the plates? (KGT)
>
> So though all these have {'oH} rather than {ghaH}, I still have no problem
> with just {nuqDaq ghaH Spock'e'}.
What's the rule here? When is {-taH} needed?
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<p><br>
De'vID:<br>
> > Actually, I thought about {ghIgh bajtaH} "he's earning h=
is necklace<br>
> > (slang for assignment)". =A0Then I thought maybe it was too =
slangy.</p>
<p>QeS 'utlh:<br>
> Hm. McCoy really is the most informal and slangy of the crew in the fi=
lm so<br>
> {ghIgh} might actually go well here; it'd help to capture McCoy=
9;s character.<br>
> I think it'd work, but if it still feels too slangy, no worries.</=
p>
<p>maj.=A0 McCoy will speak slang.</p>
<p>> De'vID:<br>
> > KIRK: nuqDaq ghaH *Spock*'e'?</p>
<p>> jang Quvar, jatlh:<br>
> > We do know that in "to be at a place" constructions, th=
e pronoun<br>
> > usually takes the suffix {-taH}. This was done correctly in the f=
irst<br>
> > sentence, but missing in this question. Is this an eception here?=
</p>
<p>QeS 'utlh:<br>
> Actually, yes, I think so. Specifically in questions with {nuqDaq}, it=
seems<br>
> to be usual to omit {-taH}. The examples I know from canon all lack it=
:<br>
><br>
> nuqDaq 'oH puchpa''e'?<br>
> Where is the bathroom? (PK, CK, and Radio Times)<br>
><br>
> nuqDaq 'oH jengva''e'?<br>
> Where is the plate? (KGT)<br>
><br>
> nuqDaq 'oH ngop'e'?<br>
> Where are the plates? (KGT)<br>
><br>
> So though all these have {'oH} rather than {ghaH}, I still have no=
problem<br>
> with just {nuqDaq ghaH Spock'e'}.</p>
<p>What's the rule here?=A0 When is {-taH} needed?</p>
<p>--<br>
De'vID</p>
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