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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Beginner Story: nuq bop bom 76-78
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Robyn Stewart)
Mon Jan 9 20:58:50 2012
Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2012 17:52:37 -0800
To: "tlhingan-hol@kli.org" <tlhingan-hol@kli.org>
From: Robyn Stewart <robyn@flyingstart.ca>
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I'm sending this back to the list so that other beginners may check
their work, and other advanced Klingonists may check mine, and offer
you advice and encouragement.
(pab rejmorghpu': taghwI'vamvaD Hol vaghDIch 'oH tlhIngan Hol'e' 'ej
chaq loSDIch 'oH DIvI' Hol'e'. pupbe'DI' DIvI' Hol pebepQo'.)
At 11:02 09/01/2012, you wrote:
>meH SeHtaHvIS DeghwI', yaS wa'DIch rIQ tlhej HoD.
>
>While helmsman is controlling the bridge, captain accompanies
>injured first officer.
maj.
>juppu' chaH 'e' qaw.
>
>He remembers they are friends.
bIlugh.
>wa'maH Hut ben vajar HoD ghaH yaS wa'DIch vav'e'. (remember that
>vajar is the name of the captain)
>
>nineteen years ago first officer's father was vajars captain. (I'm
>not entirely sure here)
qatlh bISovbejbe'? bIlugh.
>meH 'elqa'DI' HoD DeghwI' legh.
>
> Captain sees helmsman as soon as he entered the bridge again.
HIja'.
>ravDaq Qotqa'taHmo' DeghwI' Heghpu' 'e' Haj HoD.
>
>As the helmsman lies on the floor again captain dreads he has died.
majQa'.
>QongchoHpu'mo' neH DeghwI' bIj 'e' buQ.
>
>As helmsman has been only sleeping he threatens him that he'll punish him.
tlhoS qar.
>(I'm not sure here about neH, I assume you use adv sense of that
>word, but shouldn't it be at the beginning then ? neH QongchoHpu'mo'
>DeghwI' bij 'e' buQ ?
Most adverbs go at the beginning, but neH is one of those special
adverbs that goes in a different place in the sentence. If it goes
after a verb it trivializes that verb "has merely fallen asleep".
>Also I'm not sure about -pu' in QongchoHpu'mo'. Qongpu'mo' seems to
>do the job here. I might have decoded it incorrectly.
Qongpu'mo' - has been sleeping, has slept
QongchoHpu'mo' - has fallen asleep. You correctly got the "fallen
asleep" idea from -choH in the next one, just not this one.
>DeghwI' SonDI' HoD, QongchoH HoD.
>
>As soon as captain relieves helmsman, captain falls asleep.
majQa'.
>-----Questions---- (answers not necessarily in the text, your
>imagination may be required)
>
>qatlh meHDaq mob DeghwI'?
>
>chaq DeghwI' par Hoch
bItlhaQ. DujvamDaq yIntaH loS nuv neH. rIQqu'taH yaS wa'DIch.
tlhejtaH HoD. meH SeHtaH DeghwI' 'ej QongtaH HungpIn.
>
>chay' DeghwI' bIj HoD?
>
>cha' Hoghmey vutnIS DeghwI' (I wanted to say here something like: He
>will need to cook for 2 weeks. Or even he will need to work as a
>cook. cha' Hoghmey vutwI' mojnIS DeghwI'.)
A useful trick for you is qaStaHvIS <time period> "while <time
period> occurs". That is "during" or "for" the time period.
qaStaHvIS cha' Hoghmey vutnIS DeghwI'.
majQa'. qaStaHvIS wa' Hogh puchpa' Say'nISmoH. SochHu' 'e' ra' HoD.
> 'Iv ghaH yaS wa'DIch vav'e'?
>
>qaw tlhIngan wo' 'e' HoD'e' noyqu' ghaH (I'm probably wrong here:
>He's the most famous captain empire remembers.)
Remember that the 'e' must represent the sentence before it, and that
that sentence must be the object of the next sentence.
Maybe:
HoD noyqu' ghaH 'e' qaw tlhIngan wo' - The Empire remembers that he
is a very famous captain.
You can learn a special new construction: law'/puS.
HoDvam noy law' Hoch noy puS - this captain is the most famous of all
>qatlh Doy' DeghwI' HoD je?
>
>ram naQ Duj tI'taH chaH (I was trying to say They have been fixing
>ship entire night, however I couldn't fine way to use present
>perfect continous in tlhIngan Hol, what I wrote in the end in my
>opinion is: They was fixing ship whole night. However there might be
>a better way to say it. Any advices ?)
You want qaStaHvIS again, and don't forget the verb prefix.
qaStaHvIS ram naQ Duj lutI'taH.
>poS Hu' ghIlghameS vIHev. vIlaD 'e' vInab. ngeD mu'tay' 'e' vIQoy.
>DaleDpu''a' ?
I think you made a typing error here. Did you mean loSHu' - four days
ago? wej paqvetlh vIghaj jIH. chaq vIje'.
- Qov
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I'm sending this back to the list so that other beginners may check their
work, and other advanced Klingonists may check mine, and offer you advice
and encouragement. <br><br>
(pab rejmorghpu': taghwI'vamvaD Hol vaghDIch 'oH tlhIngan Hol'e' 'ej chaq
loSDIch 'oH DIvI' Hol'e'. pupbe'DI' DIvI' Hol pebepQo'.)<br><br>
At 11:02 09/01/2012, you wrote:<br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">
<dl>
<dd>meH SeHtaHvIS DeghwI', yaS wa'DIch rIQ tlhej HoD.<br><br>
</dl>While helmsman is controlling the bridge, captain accompanies
injured first officer.</blockquote><br>
maj.<br><br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">
<dl>
<dd>juppu' chaH 'e' qaw.<br><br>
</dl>He remembers they are friends. </blockquote><br>
bIlugh.<br><br>
<br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">
<dl>
<dd>wa'maH Hut ben vajar HoD ghaH yaS wa'DIch vav'e'. (remember
that vajar is the name of the captain)<br><br>
</dl>nineteen years ago first officer's father was vajars captain. (I'm
not entirely sure here) </blockquote><br>
qatlh bISovbejbe'? bIlugh.<br><br>
<br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">
<dl>
<dd>meH 'elqa'DI' HoD DeghwI' legh.<br><br>
</dl> Captain sees helmsman as soon as he entered the bridge
again.</blockquote><br>
HIja'.<br><br>
<br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">
<dl>
<dd>ravDaq Qotqa'taHmo' DeghwI' Heghpu' 'e' Haj HoD.<br>
<br>
</dl>As the helmsman lies on the floor again captain dreads he has
died.</blockquote><br>
majQa'.<br><br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">
<dl>
<dd>QongchoHpu'mo' neH DeghwI' bIj 'e' buQ.<br><br>
</dl>As helmsman has been only sleeping he threatens him that he'll
punish him. </blockquote><br>
tlhoS qar.<br><br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">(I'm not sure here about neH, I
assume you use adv sense of that word, but shouldn't it be at the
beginning then ? neH QongchoHpu'mo' DeghwI' bij 'e' buQ ?
</blockquote><br>
Most adverbs go at the beginning, but neH is one of those special adverbs
that goes in a different place in the sentence. If it goes after a verb
it trivializes that verb "has merely fallen asleep". <br><br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">Also I'm not sure about -pu' in
QongchoHpu'mo'. Qongpu'mo' seems to do the job here. I might have decoded
it incorrectly.</blockquote><br>
Qongpu'mo' - has been sleeping, has slept<br>
QongchoHpu'mo' - has fallen asleep. You correctly got the "fallen
asleep" idea from -choH in the next one, just not this one.
<br><br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">
<dl>
<dd>DeghwI' SonDI' HoD, QongchoH HoD.<br><br>
</dl>As soon as captain relieves helmsman, captain falls asleep.
</blockquote><br>
majQa'. <br><br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">
<dl>
<dd>-----Questions---- (answers not necessarily in the text, your
imagination may be required)<br><br>
<dd>qatlh meHDaq mob DeghwI'?<br><br>
</dl>chaq DeghwI' par Hoch</blockquote><br>
bItlhaQ. DujvamDaq yIntaH loS nuv neH. rIQqu'taH yaS wa'DIch.
tlhejtaH HoD. meH SeHtaH DeghwI' 'ej QongtaH HungpIn.<br><br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite=""> <br>
<dl>
<dd>chay' DeghwI' bIj HoD?<br><br>
</dl>cha' Hoghmey vutnIS DeghwI' (I wanted to say here something like: He
will need to cook for 2 weeks. Or even he will need to work as a cook.
cha' Hoghmey vutwI' mojnIS DeghwI'.)</blockquote><br>
A useful trick for you is qaStaHvIS <time period> "while
<time period> occurs". That is "during" or
"for" the time period. <br><br>
qaStaHvIS cha' Hoghmey vutnIS DeghwI'.<br><br>
majQa'. qaStaHvIS wa' Hogh puchpa' Say'nISmoH. SochHu' 'e' ra'
HoD.<br><br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite=""> 'Iv ghaH yaS wa'DIch
vav'e'?<br>
<dl><br>
</dl>qaw tlhIngan wo' 'e' HoD'e' noyqu' ghaH (I'm probably wrong here:
He's the most famous captain empire remembers.)</blockquote><br>
Remember that the 'e' must represent the sentence before it, and that
that sentence must be the object of the next sentence. <br><br>
Maybe:<br><br>
HoD noyqu' ghaH 'e' qaw tlhIngan wo' - The Empire remembers that he is a
very famous captain.<br><br>
You can learn a special new construction: law'/puS. <br><br>
HoDvam noy law' Hoch noy puS - this captain is the most famous of
all<br><br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">
<dl>
<dd>qatlh Doy' DeghwI' HoD je?<br><br>
</dl>ram naQ Duj tI'taH chaH (I was trying to say They have been fixing
ship entire night, however I couldn't fine way to use present perfect
continous in tlhIngan Hol, what I wrote in the end in my opinion is: They
was fixing ship whole night. However there might be a better way to say
it. Any advices ?)</blockquote><br>
You want qaStaHvIS again, and don't forget the verb prefix.<br><br>
qaStaHvIS ram naQ Duj lutI'taH. <br><br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">poS Hu' ghIlghameS vIHev. vIlaD
'e' vInab. ngeD mu'tay' 'e' vIQoy. DaleDpu''a' ?</blockquote><br>
I think you made a typing error here. Did you mean loSHu' - four days
ago? wej paqvetlh vIghaj jIH. chaq vIje'.<br><br>
- Qov</body>
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