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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] how to use {nej}?
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Qov)
Sun Dec 4 12:02:04 2011
Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2011 08:56:50 -0800
To: KLI <tlhingan-hol@kli.org>
From: Qov <robyn@flyingstart.ca>
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On a related topic, I came to the chapter in my story where a
character gets searched by a security guard on the very same day that
I was searched at a TSA checkpoint. I promise the story was planned
for longer than the vacation. (Yeah, welcome to my life).
nej is to search for something, so I rejected {vInejlu'} and {munej Hung yaS}.
I used constructions like {jIHDaq nuHmey nej Hung} and {porghwIjDaq
nejqu' yaS}, but I'm okay with {nejwI'} and {nejwI' jan}. I think I
used {woj nejwI'} in a recent posting, which could probably be better
interpreted as a Geiger counter, but I expect in context it was
understood as shorthand for a {woj lo'bogh nuH nejwI'}.
I used to be very careful with -Daq always being an extremely
physical location, but I keep being reminded of canon that doesn't,
so I've become a little freer with it. Remember that TKD was written
to rein in those who would translate ANY locative English pronoun with -Daq.
wa' Dol nIvDaq matay'DI' maQap
At 08:21 27/11/2011, De'vID jonpIn wrote:
>
>ghItlhpu' De'vID, jatlh:
> > How would I say, "Search for the targ in the forest", or "Search for
> > the record in the data banks"? I presume the thing being searched for
> > ({targh}, {ta}) is the object of {nej}, but how do I indicate the
> > parameters of/restrictions on the search ({ngem}, {qawHaq})?
>
>
>QeS 'utlh::
>Do you have a specific issue with {ngemDaq targh yInej} or {qawHaqDaq
>ta yInej}?
>
>
>I have no problem accepting {ngemDaq targh yInej}, but I wasn't sure
>about {qawHaqDaq}, or things like {tetlhDaq}, {memDaq}, {tameyDaq},
>etc. If the parameters of the search is not a physical location, is
>{-Daq} still the right suffix to use?
>
>Also, what if I want to leave the search target unspecified? e.g.,
>"Search (in) the forest", "Search (in) the data banks"?
>
>Actually, "Search (the) database" was the idea I originally wanted
>to express, and I first wrote down {qawHaqDaq nej}, but then it
>seemed wrong to me when I looked at it.
>
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On a related topic, I came to the chapter in my story where a character
gets searched by a security guard on the very same day that I was
searched at a TSA checkpoint. I promise the story was planned for longer
than the vacation. (Yeah, welcome to my life).<br><br>
nej is to search for something, so I rejected {vInejlu'} and {munej Hung
yaS}.<br><br>
I used constructions like {jIHDaq nuHmey nej Hung} and {porghwIjDaq
nejqu' yaS}, but I'm okay with {nejwI'} and {nejwI' jan}. I think I used
{woj nejwI'} in a recent posting, which could probably be better
interpreted as a Geiger counter, but I expect in context it was
understood as shorthand for a {woj lo'bogh nuH nejwI'}.<br><br>
I used to be very careful with -Daq always being an extremely physical
location, but I keep being reminded of canon that doesn't, so I've become
a little freer with it. Remember that TKD was written to rein in those
who would translate ANY locative English pronoun with -Daq.<br><br>
wa' Dol nIvDaq matay'DI' maQap<br><br>
At 08:21 27/11/2011, De'vID jonpIn wrote:<br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite=""> <br>
ghItlhpu' De'vID, jatlh:<br>
<dl>
<dd>> How would I say, "Search for the targ in the forest",
or "Search for<br>
<dd>> the record in the data banks"? I presume the thing
being searched for<br>
<dd>> ({targh}, {ta}) is the object of {nej}, but how do I indicate
the<br>
<dd>> parameters of/restrictions on the search ({ngem},
{qawHaq})?<br><br>
</dl><br>
QeS 'utlh:: <br>
<dl>
<dd>Do you have a specific issue with {ngemDaq targh yInej} or
{qawHaqDaq<br>
<dd>ta yInej}?<br><br>
</dl><br>
I have no problem accepting {ngemDaq targh yInej}, but I wasn't sure
about {qawHaqDaq}, or things like {tetlhDaq}, {memDaq}, {tameyDaq},
etc. If the parameters of the search is not a physical location, is
{-Daq} still the right suffix to use?<br><br>
Also, what if I want to leave the search target unspecified? e.g.,
"Search (in) the forest", "Search (in) the data
banks"?<br><br>
Actually, "Search (the) database" was the idea I originally
wanted to express, and I first wrote down {qawHaqDaq nej}, but then it
seemed wrong to me when I looked at it.<br><br>
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