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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] paq'batlh: SEEMINGLY ILLEGAL STRUCTURES
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (De'vID jonpIn)
Sat Nov 26 18:46:36 2011
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Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 00:46:16 +0100
From: "De'vID jonpIn" <de.vid.jonpin@gmail.com>
To: Agnieszka Solska <agnpau1@hotmail.com>
Cc: tlhIngan Hol <tlhingan-hol@kli.org>,
tlhIngan Hol mailing list <tlhingan-hol@stodi.digitalkingdom.org>
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'ISqu':
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> According to HolQeD 6:3, pp. 5-8, the word only means to go through
> an opening of some sort, such as an open door or a tunnel, and it
> explicitly does not mean "to traverse" so, for instance, it cannot
> be used to translate such sentences as "A woman goes through a forest."
>
> In "paq'batlh" there is a sentence that does not follow this rule,
> unless we agree that the river flowing through Gre'thor may be
> perceived as some kind of passageway:
>
> The barge went through Gre'thor
> ghe'tor vegh Duj
> (pp 190-191)
>
ghe'tor vegh Duj
Suto'vo'qor lojmItmey 'el Duj
qeylIS vanchu'lu' 'ej naDchu'lu'
The barge went through Gre'thor
Into the gates of Sto-vo-kor,
Kahless was given a hero's welcome.
In context, I think it makes sense. Gre'thor here is acting as a
passageway into Sto-vo-kor.
See also the use of {vegh} on p. 85, where it is used to describe a "cave
leading to the world beyond the living":
tu''egh qeylIS'e'
DIS veghlu'chugh
pa' Heghpu'bogh nuvpu' qa'pu' tu'lu'
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=A0=A0 According to HolQeD 6:3, pp. 5-8, the word only means to go through<=
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>
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t cannot<br>
=A0=A0 be used to=A0 translate such sentences as "A woman goes through=
a forest."<br>
=A0=A0=A0<br>
=A0=A0 In "paq'batlh" there is a sentence that does not follo=
w this rule,<br>
=A0=A0 unless we agree that the river flowing through Gre'thor may be=
=A0=A0=A0<br>
=A0=A0 perceived as some kind of passageway:<br>
<br>
=A0=A0 The barge went through Gre'thor<br>
=A0=A0 ghe'tor vegh Duj<br>
=A0=A0 (pp 190-191)<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>ghe'tor vegh Du=
j</div><div>=A0 =A0 Suto'vo'qor lojmItmey 'el Duj</div><div>=A0=
=A0 qeylIS vanchu'lu' 'ej naDchu'lu'</div><div><br></d=
iv><div>
The barge went through Gre'thor</div><div>=A0 =A0 Into the gates of Sto=
-vo-kor,</div><div>=A0 =A0 Kahless was given a hero's welcome.</div><di=
v>=A0</div><div>In context, I think it makes sense. =A0Gre'thor here is=
acting as a passageway into Sto-vo-kor.</div>
<div><br></div><div>See also the use of {vegh} on p. 85, where it is used t=
o describe a "cave leading to the world beyond the living":</div>=
<div><br></div><div>tu''egh qeylIS'e'</div><div>=A0 =A0 DIS=
veghlu'chugh</div>
<div>=A0 =A0 pa' Heghpu'bogh nuvpu' qa'pu' tu'lu=
9;</div><div><br></div></div>-- <br>De'vID<br>
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