[90747] in tlhIngan-Hol
Re: [Tlhingan-hol] nuq bop bom: 'ay chorghmaH jav:
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Steven Boozer)
Thu Nov 17 13:05:38 2011
From: Steven Boozer <sboozer@uchicago.edu>
To: "tlhingan-hol@kli.org" <tlhingan-hol@kli.org>
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 12:05:21 -0600
In-Reply-To: <4EC54876.7020807@web.de>
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Voragh:
>> {tlhe'} "turn" has never been used in canon so we don't even
>> know if it's transitive or intransitive.
Lieven:
> It's just a guess, but it might help thinking:
>
> a) Regarding the pun in {yuvtlhe'}, it looks like MO was thinking
> of the transitive form ("press and turn" the lid)
>
> b) The other word we know is {DIng}, which is also close to "turn".
> Do we have any examples for this one?
No examples known. And no known use of *{DIngmoH}.
> With this thinking, it seems to me that you {tlhe'} something to make
> it {DIng}.
>
> BTW, don't forget {jIr}, which is intransitive.
{jIr} rotate, twirl
{jIrmoH} twirl bat'leth, cause bat'leth to rotate
When the transitivity of a Klingon verb is unknown and the English gloss is ambiguous, my rule of thumb is to assume it's intransitive which allows one to add {-moH} for the transitive form: {tlhe'} vs. ?{tlhe'moH}. Then wait for Maltz to reveal new examples. <g>
--
Voragh
Ca'Non Master of the Klingons
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