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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Eurotalk - New Specialism - Time
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Felix Malmenbeck)
Mon Nov 7 10:46:04 2011
From: Felix Malmenbeck <felixm@kth.se>
To: Noah Bogart <nbtheduke@gmail.com>, "tlhingan-hol@kli.org"
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Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 15:44:36 +0000
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Well, it never actually makes the claim that pagh rep is at midnight; it co=
uld very well be used to mark the sunrise.
However, Klingons living on Earth would probably refer to the standard time=
in whatever time zone they were living in, so as to avoid confusion (qaS j=
avvatlh rep 'e' cha' tlhaq qaSba' pagh rep.).
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From: Noah Bogart [nbtheduke@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 16:36
To: tlhingan-hol@kli.org
Subject: Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Eurotalk - New Specialism - Time
What happened to Klingon time being counted from dawn-to-dawn? Is this just=
the Klingon time-keeping words being transposed 6 hours earlier than they =
normally run, or is it now a retcon, or do they actually have a totally dif=
ferent system of counting time and what we have here is a translation of hu=
man time?
On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 10:27 AM, Philip Newton <philip.newton@gmail.com<mai=
lto:philip.newton@gmail.com>> wrote:
On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 00:34, Adm qe'San <qeSan@btinternet.com<mailto:qeSan=
@btinternet.com>> wrote:
> Five past five (5:05)a.m. - vaghvatlh vagh rep
> 5:05 p.m. (17:05) - wa'maH Sochvatlh vagh rep
On the original CD, the Latin script text had a different wording:
{vagh pagh vagh rep}. Presumably, this is an earlier (and not canon)
version. The sound file and the pIqaD agree with the newer-style
wording.
Other spelling differences include:
* consistent space before {vatlh}, e.g. *{wa' vatlh rep} "1:00"
* consistent lack of {vatlh} if minutes are mentioned, e.g. *{wa'
wa'maH vagh rep} "1:15". (With {pagh} inserted if the minutes are less
than ten.)
> I separated the vatlh from the wa'maH to show that it is a
> specialized usage of vatlh (wa'maHvatlh can't be a normal Klingon number)=
. I
> left it attached to Hutvatlh and so on because they happen to be regular
> Klingon numbers anyway.
Ah, that explains that! I had been wondering about {wa'maH vatlh} and
{cha'maH vatlh}.
Cheers,
Philip
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10pt;">Well, it never actually makes the claim that pagh rep is at midnight=
; it could very well be used to mark the sunrise.<br>
However, Klingons living on Earth would probably refer to the standard time=
in whatever time zone they were living in, so as to avoid confusion (qaS j=
avvatlh rep 'e' cha' tlhaq qaSba' pagh rep.).<br>
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<div>What happened to Klingon time being counted from dawn-to-dawn? Is this=
just the Klingon time-keeping words being transposed 6 hours earlier than =
they normally run, or is it now a retcon, or do they actually have a totall=
y different system of counting time
and what we have here is a translation of human time?<br>
<br>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 10:27 AM, Philip Newton <=
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<<a href=3D"mailto:philip.newton@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">philip.new=
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<div class=3D"im">On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 00:34, Adm qe'San <<a href=3D"m=
ailto:qeSan@btinternet.com" target=3D"_blank">qeSan@btinternet.com</a>> =
wrote:<br>
> Five past five (5:05)a.m. - vaghvatlh vagh rep<br>
> 5:05 p.m. (17:05) - wa'maH Sochvatlh vagh rep<br>
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On the original CD, the Latin script text had a different wording:<br>
{vagh pagh vagh rep}. Presumably, this is an earlier (and not canon)<br>
version. The sound file and the pIqaD agree with the newer-style<br>
wording.<br>
<br>
Other spelling differences include:<br>
<br>
* consistent space before {vatlh}, e.g. *{wa' vatlh rep} "1:00"<b=
r>
* consistent lack of {vatlh} if minutes are mentioned, e.g. *{wa'<br>
wa'maH vagh rep} "1:15". (With {pagh} inserted if the minutes are=
less<br>
than ten.)<br>
<div class=3D"im"><br>
> I separated the vatlh from the wa'maH to show that it is a<br>
> specialized usage of vatlh (wa'maHvatlh can't be a normal Klingon numb=
er). I<br>
> left it attached to Hutvatlh and so on because they happen to be regul=
ar<br>
> Klingon numbers anyway.<br>
<br>
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Ah, that explains that! I had been wondering about {wa'maH vatlh} and<br>
{cha'maH vatlh}.<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
Philip<br>
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