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Re: misc comments
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU)
Tue May 18 18:39:28 1993
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From: Captain Krankor <krankor@codex.prds.cdx.mot.com>
To: "Klingon Language List" <tlhIngan-Hol@village.boston.ma.us>
Date: Tue, 18 May 93 16:13:09 -0400
> Okrand's solution seems to have been to create two homophones and to change
>the verb "command" from `ma'` to `ra'`.
We already established that he created homophones. Changing "ma'"
to "ra'" is not a solution, it is a problem, since it breaks the
subtitle.
> > [Valkris in Strek III mispronounced `HIja'` as `HISlaH`] ... how one could
>get the one from the other. (But then again, I'll be damned if I can figure
>out how you get "wey" from "wej" or "GaH" from "ghargh")
> In many European languages 'j' <is> pronounced as 'y'; and to many people
>'gh' is so unfamiliar a sound that substituting 'g' or 'kh' is likely; many
>people, particularly in France and Denmark, pronounce 'r' in their throats
>similar to 'gh', as is conspicuous in Cousteau's pronunciation of English.
That's all fine and well but I believe you'll find that a quick
check reveals extremely actors speaking these lines who are from
France or Denmark. Since the particular mangles I refered to were
all spoken by actors who clearly speak perfect English, I don't
think the foreign language explanation works very well. I could
easily see the gh in ghargh becoming a hard G, but then I would
expect the final one to be treated likewise, and in any case I don't
see how the r could be totally lost. I know what a French r sounds
like and not even that is present in the way they prounced ghargh in
that episode.
--Krankor
