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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Google Search in Klingon
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (ghunchu'wI' 'utlh)
Thu Sep 22 07:25:49 2011
From: "ghunchu'wI' 'utlh" <qunchuy@alcaco.net>
To: tlhingan-hol@kli.org
In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.2.20110921112536.057b9f80@flyingstart.ca>
Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2011 07:24:44 -0400
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On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 4:49 PM, Qov <robyn@flyingstart.ca> wrote:
> I'm just going to start here, because some obviously poor choices will
> motivate better ones. I'm almost deliberately not being consistent,
> to see
> what people prefer and hate.
>> Web
> De'wI' rarbogh pat
That's okay to refer to the Internet, but the "web" is a specific kind
of interconnectedness of data. I think it needs to have a catchy,
pithy, semidescriptive term. Some years ago I came up with {Dat De'
Dol} as a way to express "World Wide Web". {De' Dol} works for "Web"
in my mind, even though it has to be explained (or used in a *very*
obvious context) before it can be understood.
>> Sites
> Daq
While that is an immediately obvious way to do it, I think it's too
literal a translation. {Daq} should be about spatial location, and
using it for "site" in this sense collides with the need to talk about
physical places. A "web site" is not a place. It is a coherent group
of usually related information. There's probably a naval term or
something that can be borrowed to describe it, like {nawlogh}, though
that too can't easily be understood by someone not in on the jargon.
Similarly, using {nav} for "web page" seems the wrong idiom in my
opinion. {ghItlh} would be closer to the right idea.
Maybe {ghItlh} for "page" and {ghItlhghom} for "site"?
It feels uncomfortable to invent jargon intended for widespread use.
Perhaps it's just time to do it, though.
-- ghunchu'wI'
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<html><body bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF"><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-size: 13px; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, =
0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, =
0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, =
0.230469); "><span>On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 4:49 PM, Qov <<a =
href=3D"mailto:robyn@flyingstart.ca" x-apple-data-detectors=3D"true"><a =
href=3D"mailto:robyn@flyingstart.ca">robyn@flyingstart.ca</a></a>> =
wrote:</span><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>I'm just going to start =
here, because some obviously poor choices =
will</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>motivate =
better ones. I'm almost deliberately not being consistent, to =
see</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>what people =
prefer and hate.</span><br></blockquote><span></span><br><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><span>Web</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><span>De'wI' rarbogh =
pat</span><br></blockquote><span></span><br><span>That's okay to refer =
to the Internet, but the "web" is a specific kind </span><span>of =
interconnectedness of data. I think it needs to have a =
catchy, </span><span>pithy, semidescriptive term. Some years ago I =
came up with {Dat De' </span><span>Dol} as a way to express "World =
Wide Web". {De' Dol} works for "Web"</span><br><span>in my mind, even =
though it has to be explained (or used in a =
*very* </span><span>obvious context) before it can be =
understood.</span><br><span></span><br><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><span>Sites</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><span>Daq</span><br></blockquote><span></span><br><span>Whil=
e that is an immediately obvious way to do it, I think it's =
too </span><span>literal a translation. {Daq} should be about =
spatial location, and </span><span>using it for "site" in this =
sense collides with the need to talk about </span><span>physical =
places. A "web site" is not a place. It is a coherent =
group </span><span>of usually related information. There's probably =
a naval term or </span><span>something that can be borrowed to =
describe it, like {nawlogh}, though </span><span>that too can't =
easily be understood by someone not in on the =
jargon.</span><br><span></span><br><span>Similarly, using {nav} for "web =
page" seems the wrong idiom in my </span><span>opinion. {ghItlh} =
would be closer to the right =
idea.</span><br><span></span><br><span>Maybe {ghItlh} for "page" and =
{ghItlhghom} for "site"?</span><br><span></span><br><span>It feels =
uncomfortable to invent jargon intended for widespread =
use. </span><span>Perhaps it's just time to do it, =
though.</span><br><span></span><br><span>-- =
ghunchu'wI'</span></span><br></body></html>=
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