[89769] in tlhIngan-Hol
Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Stative verbs after je
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Steven Boozer)
Wed Sep 21 10:46:13 2011
From: Steven Boozer <sboozer@uchicago.edu>
To: "tlhIngan-Hol@kli.org" <tlhIngan-Hol@kli.org>
Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 09:45:51 -0500
In-Reply-To: <BAY166-W34FE8D56EB05EC59DEF277AA0D0@phx.gbl>
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ghItlhpu' bI'reng, jatlh:
>> Is there any consensus or canon for using stative verbs with nouns
>> joined by {je}? Can you say something like {yaSpu', negh je, po'} for
>> "skilled officers and soldiers"?
jangpu' QeS 'utlh:
> I don't know of any canon for it, but it seems to follow all the rules,
> so grammatically I think it works (though I'd leave the commas out).
>
> With that said, Klingon is more tolerant of repetition than English, so
> personally I'd put this as yaSpu' po' negh po' je, a construction we do
> have a canon example of:
> HoS law'qu' luch law'qu' je
> "a huge amount of the ship's power and technology"
> (Skybox card SP3: tlhIngan wIy)
The full sentence is:
HoS law'qu' luch law'qu' je lo' Duj nuH pat Hub pat je
A huge amount of the ship's power and technology is devoted to its
weapons grid and defensive systems. (SP3)
BTW note the repetition in the string of nouns: {Duj nuH pat Hub pat je} instead of *{nuH Hub je pat}. This pattern is repeated in:
QeD patmey noch patmey je
science and remote sensing systems (KBoP)
Another example of repeating the quality with each noun is:
lenglIj lutebjaj lengwIjvaD bel rap, Sov rap, ngoQ rap je Danobpu'bogh
May your journey be filled with the same joy, wisdom, and purpose you
have given mine. (Frasier)
Note: {bel rap, Sov rap, ngoQ rap je} "the same joy, wisdom, and purpose".
> yaSpu' negh je po' is grammatically fine, but it seems unidiomatic to
> me. It feels a bit like "mon nom est X" ("my name is X") in French: it
> follows the rules and it says what you want to say, but most French-
> speakers wouldn't say it that way.
That Klingon is certainly more tolerant of repetition than English can certainly be seen in:
DujvamDaq tlhIngan nuH tu'lu'bogh pov law' Hoch pov puS 'ej DujvamDaq 'op SuvwI' tu'lu'bogh po' law' tlhIngan yo' SuvwI' law' po' puS
It [IKC Pagh] has the best weapons and some of the finest warriors in the Klingon fleet. (S7}
--
Voragh
Ca'Non Master of the Klingons
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