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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Stative verbs after je
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (lojmIt tI'wI'nuv)
Wed Sep 21 08:57:58 2011
From: lojmIt tI'wI'nuv <lojmitti7wi7nuv@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 08:57:27 -0400
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Another option would be:
pobogh yaSpu' negh je
It just looks really ugly having the conjunction between the nouns and =
the adjective. I've never seen anything like that and it grates to hear =
it, and there are at least two ways to easily avoid this (as QeS 'utlh =
and I have pointed out).=20
pItlh
lojmIt tI'wI'nuv
On Sep 21, 2011, at 1:00 AM, Rohan Fenwick - QeS 'utlh wrote:
>=20
> ghItlhpu' bI'reng, jatlh:
>> Is there any consensus or canon for using stative verbs with nouns
>> joined by {je}? Can you say something like {yaSpu', negh je, po'} for
>> "skilled officers and soldiers"?
>=20
> I don't know of any canon for it, but it seems to follow all the =
rules,
> so grammatically I think it works (though I'd leave the commas out).
>=20
> With that said, Klingon is more tolerant of repetition than English, =
so
> personally I'd put this as yaSpu' po' negh po' je, a construction we =
do
> have a canon example of:
>=20
> HoS law'qu' luch law'qu' je
> "a huge amount of the ship's power and technology"
> (Skybox card SP3: tlhIngan wIy)
>=20
> yaSpu' negh je po' is grammatically fine, but it seems unidiomatic to
> me. It feels a bit like "mon nom est X" ("my name is X") in French: it
> follows the rules and it says what you want to say, but most French-
> speakers wouldn't say it that way.
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> QeS 'utlh
> =20
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"><div>Another option would be:</div><div><br></div><div>pobogh yaSpu' =
negh je</div><div><br></div><div>It just looks really ugly having the =
conjunction between the nouns and the adjective. I've never seen =
anything like that and it grates to hear it, and there are at least two =
ways to easily avoid this (as QeS 'utlh and I have pointed =
out). </div><br><div>
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<br><div><div>On Sep 21, 2011, at 1:00 AM, Rohan Fenwick - QeS 'utlh =
wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><div><br>ghItlhpu' bI'reng, jatlh:<br><blockquote =
type=3D"cite">Is there any consensus or canon for using stative verbs =
with nouns<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">joined by {je}? Can =
you say something like {yaSpu', negh je, po'} =
for<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">"skilled officers and =
soldiers"?<br></blockquote><br>I don't know of any canon for it, but it =
seems to follow all the rules,<br>so grammatically I think it works =
(though I'd leave the commas out).<br><br>With that said, Klingon is =
more tolerant of repetition than English, so<br>personally I'd put this =
as yaSpu' po' negh po' je, a construction we do<br>have a canon example =
of:<br><br>HoS law'qu' luch law'qu' je<br>"a huge amount of the ship's =
power and technology"<br>(Skybox card SP3: tlhIngan wIy)<br><br>yaSpu' =
negh je po' is grammatically fine, but it seems unidiomatic to<br>me. It =
feels a bit like "mon nom est X" ("my name is X") in French: =
it<br>follows the rules and it says what you want to say, but most =
French-<br>speakers wouldn't say it that way.<br><br>QeS 'utlh<br> <span =
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