[89580] in tlhIngan-Hol
Re: chIjwI' tIQ bom: 'ay' wej
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Robyn Stewart)
Sun Sep 11 09:40:15 2011
Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 23:18:55 -0700
To: tlhingan-hol@kli.org
From: Robyn Stewart <robyn@flyingstart.ca>
In-Reply-To: <BAY166-W508C3E2840A37EF4E2A776AA030@phx.gbl>
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Reply-to: tlhingan-hol@kli.org
At 22:56 10/09/2011, you wrote:
>jIH:
> > maH jul je jojDaq Dochvetlh'e'
> > pay' 'elchoHDI' QIbDaj.
>
>Qov:
> > {Okay, this is the only one that I think I really can't parse.
>
>I wasn't over pleased with this construction either, so I'm not shocked
>you had issues with it. Now that I look at it again (and I might change
>the noun to DujHey, as per your suggestion), how about this, to fix up
>the relationships between the nouns and the verb:
>
>pay' DujHey'e', maH jul je joj
>'elqu'choHDI' QIbDaj.
Much better.
>jIH:
> > bejlaw'DI' meQbogh qabHey tIn,
>
>Qov:
> > When a giant burning face seemed to watch
> > {Ah, combining your version and Colridge's I finally understand that
> > the sun is the face. I think I would have gone "what who?"}
>
>Do you think I might be better off with meQbogh jul qab tIn?
That certainly makes one thing clearer, which may help with the rest.
>jIH:
> > cha' tu'lu'! latlh ghaH'a' Hegh'e'?
> > Hegh'e', be' beq ghaH'a'?
>
>Qov:
> > {Heh, I read mate as loDnal, not as beq, but who is to say.}
I think it's probably meant as loDnal. Just because rarity of female
captains would make someone of that era assume that she was the mate.
But I like your defiance of that stereotype.
>jIH:
> > luQujtaHvIS cha' beq;
>
>Qov:
> > Two crewmen played her. [rock paper scissors, I'm guessing]
>
>Dice, actually,
Yeah, that's why I suggested SuD. I am reading the English on these
chapters now, after the initial pass.
>but I'm not even going to try to translate that directly.
>I realise now luQujtaHvIS was wrong; there's only the two crew on the
>spirit ship, Death and Life-in-Death, and they're playing against each
>other. I like your suggestion of SuD. I'd like to try SuDchuqtaHvIS, but
>it might be a bit of a stretch.
I don't object to it. Who knows what the object of gamble should be
if any, but it's certainly understandable.
>jIH:
> > HIvje' rur tIqwIj 'ej 'oHvo'
> > tlhutlhlaw' ghIjchu'ghach tIn!
>
>Qov:
> > My heart was like a cup and from it drank a great fear.
> > {Ah okay, you'd think I'd get that, but that's twice the idea of
> > drinking blood has been implied and I've missed it. Is it me? Could
> > the word natlh help here? 'Iw tlhutlh ghIjchu'ghach tIn?}
>
>{'Iw tlhutlh ghIjchu'ghach tIn} vIparHa'. vIchoH.
yay! jIboQta'.
vebwI' vIloS. tIqmo' bom jIbel. mIwvam vItIv.
- Qov
