[89530] in tlhIngan-Hol
Re: nuq bop bom: 'ay' wa'maH chorgh
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Robyn Stewart)
Fri Sep 9 11:33:55 2011
Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2011 08:21:13 -0700
To: tlhingan-hol@kli.org
From: Robyn Stewart <robyn@flyingstart.ca>
In-Reply-To: <BAY166-W4D5687E04CAA18FA1AA23AA010@phx.gbl>
Errors-to: tlhingan-hol-bounce@kli.org
Reply-to: tlhingan-hol@kli.org
At 23:59 08/09/2011, you wrote:
>vItIvtaHqu'. 'ach bIpIvtaH'a'? DeS Da'oy'be'choHmoHlaw'mo' qaghel neH!
wej. chaq DaH jIyev. DaHjaj 'ay' vIqonbe' 'e' vIHech 'ach yabwIjDaq
ratlh qechmey law'qu'. Qatlhqu' nuvpu'vam lut 'ej vIqonnIS. 'ej
mupIlmoHta' Coleridge. QaDqu'mo' loD Hugh jatlhlaHbe' 'a jatlhnIS,
vaj 'Iw tlhutlhmeH DeSDaj'e' chop. jIyay'taH. tlhIngan lut 'oH.
jIghal. jI'ovnIS. wanI'wI' wIH law; wanI'vetlh wIH puS vI'oghnIS!
>ghItlhpu' Qov, jatlh:
> > mu'mey Sovbogh QIt lo' Mahoun.
>
>Hmm. This is one problem about adverb placement. You remember when I
>mentioned it last time? Not so sure this time. Because -bogh clauses
>are basically stand-alone noun phrases, I don't know if QIt should
>go before mu'mey (and so before the object), or where you've put it
>in order to resolve the ambiguity. chuvmey jay'.
Your apprehensions are totally right. mu'mey Sovbogh is the object of
the sentence and the adverb shouldn't "move through" unless the
object is topic marked. HaqwI''e' DaH yISam!
> > "poH nI' tlhIngan bIghHa' jIHtaHmo' loQ vIghojpu'.
>
>I'm assuming the missing -Daq here is deliberate.
Ah nope, that was addressed to the QeDpIn so was in yel Hol.
> > "vIcherghlaH. muHoHbe' be'vam 'e' vIHar. tej ghaH. "
>
>chaq joy' HaD ghaH! rut 'e' ghovlaHbe' vay'.
yepHa'law'. tlhoch'egh. Hajbe'choHmo' qaD'egh neHchoH. 'ej yaHDaj
qel, Satlh 'oH be' ngoQ'e'.
> > tlhuHqu'taHmo' Mahoun tlhuHHa' 'ej yapbe' yInSIp tlhuHpu'bogh.
> > vulchoH 'ej yavDaq pum.
>
>Klingons may not hyperventilate, but this is great descriptive prose.
>I could imagine all this very vividly. majQa'.
yay! Maybe Klingons don't hyperventilate, but she seems to be
familiar with the phenomenon. Maybe she knows more about the limits
of alien physiology than you might expect of an agricultural scientist.
> > Hey, at least I didn't break his arm. I haven't broken anyone's arm
> > this whole story. What a warm fuzzy story.
>
>"Su'Ijrup'a', puqpu'? vaj matagh."
cha'leS puqpu' DatlheDmoH 'e' vIchup, cha'leS 'ay' vIlab 'e'
vIngIlchugh.
