[89504] in tlhIngan-Hol
RE: Listening device
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Steven Boozer)
Thu Sep 8 09:38:59 2011
From: Steven Boozer <sboozer@uchicago.edu>
To: "tlhingan-hol@kli.org" <tlhingan-hol@kli.org>
Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2011 08:31:19 -0500
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qomeQ:
> I am writing my first short story in tlhIngan Hol...so far so good (I think) but I am
> searching for the correct term for basically a "survelliance device"...like the
> monitoring device seen in "Errand of Mercy". I am assuming that such devices
> would be found throughout a ship...they are important to my story. Would DaqwI'
> ("eavesdropper"?) work? If I am missing the correct term please tell me, but I cant
> find it anywhere. QoywI'?
Felix Malmenbeck:
> qonwI' - Recorder
Marc Okrand on {qon}:
HQ 2.4: Actually, this is the word translated in TKD as the verb "record", meaning to make a record of something (whether this record be written or a digital recording or an old-fashioned wax cylinder or anything). Apparently Klingon songs are not composed by anybody--they're just out there, waiting to be hunted down, trapped, and logged (that is, written down and/or taught to others.)
TKW 179: It does not matter whether this recording is visual, digital, scratches in stone, or marks on paper.
KGT 71: The word used for "compose" is {qon}. This verb also means "record" and is used whether the recording is by hand (that is, written or even etched in stone), in a medium suitable for a computer, or any other form. From the Klingon point of view, a song is not the product of an individual's mind. It has somehow always existed and is waiting for someone (the songwriter or, more accurately, song recorder, {qonwI'}) to transcribe it ({qon}) and then present it ({much}) to others. There are a number of very well known songwriters, and it is quite an honor if one of them composes a song about one's exploits.
st.k 7/09/1998: The verb for "write" in the sense of "compose" is {qon}, literally "record." This is used for songs and also for literary works (poems, plays, romance novels, and so on). As has been pointed out, it's as if the song or story is somehow out there and the "writer" comes into contact with it, extracts it (to use Qov's nice phrase), and records it. The verb usually translated "write," {ghItlh}, refers to the physical activity of writing (moving the pencil around, chiseling, etc.) The question is, if you can {ghItlh} it, must you also {qon} it? That is, is everything that is written down the result of composition (in the sense described above)? The answer is "not necessarily." There's another verb, {gher}, which doesn't have a straightforward equivalent in English, but which has sometimes been translated (not entirely satisfactorily) as "formulate" or "compile" or "pull together." The idea seems to be that of bringing thoughts together into some kind of reasonably coherent form so that they can be conveyed to someone else.
> DaqwI' - Eaves-dropper
> DaqmeH jan - Eavesdropping device
> DaqmeH pat - Eavesdropping system (could be used to refer to a network of
> DaqwI'pu')
{Daq} "eavesdrop" has only been used once canon:
lojmIt poSDaq Daq pagh
No one eavesdrops at an open door. (PK)
Interestingly, Google used *{Daqmey pat} for "(World Wide) Web, Internet" on their Klingon interface. Someone on the list once used *{DaqmoH} for "wiretap" (i.e. "bug").
> The question is what connotations the word Daq has in Klingon. If it has the same
> negative connotations as the English word "eavesdrop", or implies subterfuge
> (which is not really the case with II; everyone know about them), then it's probably
> not used in these devices' official names.
I doubt Klingons would be that squeamish. I think {DaqmeH jan} is perfect for "listening device", especially in the sense that secret police or internal security use it. I can even see it being called informally a {DaqwI'}, i.e. a "bug".
We also have the verb {jIH} "monitor":
jolbogh ghom wa'DIch DamuvlaHmeH De' DaneHchugh, Se'vam yIjIHtaH
Stay tuned for information on how you can be among the first to beam aboard! STX
Other verbs to consider are {'Ij} "listen":
DIvI' Se' wI'IjtaHvIS DaH ngoqDe' wIHevta'
We've just received an encoded message on the Federation frequency. (ST5 notes)
... and {Qoy} "hear":
qaQoy
I hear you. (KLS)
HIQoymoH
Let me hear (something). Cause me to hear (something). (TKD)
'IwlIj ghogh yIQoy
Listen to the voice of your blood. (TKW)
jach SuvwI' 'e' yIQoy
Hear the warrior cry out! (TKW)
Qoy qeylIS puqloD. Qoy puqbe'pu'.
Hear! Sons of Kahless. Hear! Daughters too. (Anthem)
'arlogh wab Qoylu'pu'?
How many times has someone heard the sound?
How many times has the sound been heard?
(i.e. What time is it?) [st.k 2/99]
qen 'arlogh Qoylu'pu'?
Recently, how many times has someone heard it?
(i.e. What time is it?) [st.k 2/99]
De'vetlh vIQoy, vaj jIQuch
I am happy to hear that information. (KGT)
yuQmajDaq may' ghe'naQ[na'] wa'DIch wIQoybogh 'oH 'u'['e'] [sic!]
<<'u'>> will be the first authentic battle opera performed on our planet. ('U'-MTK)
--
Voragh
Ca'Non Master of the Klingons
