[89288] in tlhIngan-Hol
RE: Verb Prefix Chart
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Robyn Stewart)
Wed Aug 31 11:35:20 2011
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2011 08:23:58 -0700
To: tlhingan-hol@kli.org
From: Robyn Stewart <robyn@flyingstart.ca>
In-Reply-To: <C305E6BD33E2654DAE1F8F403247B6A602D46C441666@EVS02.ad.uchi
cago.edu>
Errors-to: tlhingan-hol-bounce@kli.org
Reply-to: tlhingan-hol@kli.org
lughchu' Voragh. Of all the ways I've tried to remember, and teach
people to remember the rarer prefixes, they only came together with
remembered situations, specifically:
pIpIH - same as Voragh
chay' jura' - from the tapes (yeah, tapes, HIqanQo')
chequvmoH, retlho' - from when I thanked a TV camera crew on behalf
of the group.
lIghIj'a'? - from when Seqram and someone else left in the middle of
a cabaret act
All the others seem to have gone in my head and stuck, although I
bobble DI- and nI- a lot, starting with wI- and Du- then correcting
myself. And who doesn't have to add in a late lu- now and again?
At 07:51 31/08/2011, you wrote:
>I've never been good at memorizing conjugation tables (I always
>forget one or two of the Klingon forms). What works for me is to
>memorize a canon sentence with the relevant verb prefix. For
>example, I always remember {pI-} "we [do something] to you" by
>{pIpIH} "We're expecting you" from the scene in CK where the Terran
>is checking into a Klingon hotel. Or to learn two prefixes at once:
>
> pInaDqu' tuqlIj wInaDqu' je
> Glory to you and your house
> ("We praise you highly; we also praise your house highly") KGT
>
>The trick is to learn a phrase within some sort of easy to remember
>context, not just a series of general verbs with prefixes attached
>(e.g. {qalegh, cholech, Dalegh, pIlegh}, etc. vs. Latin *amo, amas,
>amat* or Russian *liubliu, liubish', liubit*, etc.). That way you
>can also learn a bit of canon as well as some vocabulary (pIH, naD,
>tuq, -lIj, -qu', je).
>
>--
>Voragh
>Ca'Non Master of the Klingons
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: tlhingan-hol-bounce@kli.org
> [mailto:tlhingan-hol-bounce@kli.org] On Behalf
> > Of HurDaghchu7wI7@gmail.com
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 8:26 AM
> > To: tlhingan-hol@kli.org
> > Subject: Re: Verb Prefix Chart
> >
> > As someone who has been learning tlhIngan Hol for wa' jar I can
> say that I have
> > found it easiest to break up the prefixes into groups as the KLCP
> does. I then
> > study the first nine or so prefixes (jI-, bI-, ma-, etc) and try
> to use them as much as
> > possible, in speaking and writing. I've also found two other
> things useful: 1.)
> > Mentally inserting the 0- or null prefix when I use it rather
> than ignoring it,and
> > secondly to view (correctly or incorrectly, jISaHbe') the
> prefixes as "conjugation" of
> > the verbs rather than additional words to learn.
> >
> > As is the case in my Pali language studies, it's really about
> rote memorization.
> > Most modern day language students don't realize how important
> repetition is. One
> > of the ways I learned my Pali noun declensions is to buy several
> blank notebooks
> > and write the entire declension table about two hundred times. If
> you read any Pali
> > or Sanskrit grammar from the last century, they are full of
> declension charts to
> > repeat over and over. It takes time, but in six months you can
> burn these concepts
> > into your head for life. We modern students want it easy, but
> learning any foreign
> > language is not for the indolent. Shortcuts only cheat us out of
> a very rewarding
> > experience :).
> >
> > yItaH 'ej yIcheptaH
> >
> > HurDagh chu'wI'
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > Date: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 7:45:59 am
> > To: tlhingan-hol@kli.org
> > From: "Lieven Litaer" <lieven.litaer@web.de>
> > Subject: Re: Verb Prefix Chart
> >
> > I believe it depends on how you want to use it, to learn or to use it
> > while learning?
> >
> > Many people set up a table like it is used in TKD. I am using a table
> > where the prefixes are sorted from an english (or german) point of view,
> > because that's how you search for them, for instance
> >
> > I (no object) = ...
> > I - you = ...
> > I - him = ...
> > I - them = ...
> >
> > you (no object) = ..
> > you - you = ...
> > you - him = ...
> > you - them = ...
> >
> > etc.
> >
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