[89284] in tlhIngan-Hol
RE: Verb Prefix Chart
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Steven Boozer)
Wed Aug 31 10:59:07 2011
From: Steven Boozer <sboozer@uchicago.edu>
To: "tlhingan-hol@kli.org" <tlhingan-hol@kli.org>
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2011 09:51:34 -0500
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I've never been good at memorizing conjugation tables (I always forget one or two of the Klingon forms). What works for me is to memorize a canon sentence with the relevant verb prefix. For example, I always remember {pI-} "we [do something] to you" by {pIpIH} "We're expecting you" from the scene in CK where the Terran is checking into a Klingon hotel. Or to learn two prefixes at once:
pInaDqu' tuqlIj wInaDqu' je
Glory to you and your house
("We praise you highly; we also praise your house highly") KGT
The trick is to learn a phrase within some sort of easy to remember context, not just a series of general verbs with prefixes attached (e.g. {qalegh, cholech, Dalegh, pIlegh}, etc. vs. Latin *amo, amas, amat* or Russian *liubliu, liubish', liubit*, etc.). That way you can also learn a bit of canon as well as some vocabulary (pIH, naD, tuq, -lIj, -qu', je).
--
Voragh
Ca'Non Master of the Klingons
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tlhingan-hol-bounce@kli.org [mailto:tlhingan-hol-bounce@kli.org] On Behalf
> Of HurDaghchu7wI7@gmail.com
> Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 8:26 AM
> To: tlhingan-hol@kli.org
> Subject: Re: Verb Prefix Chart
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> As someone who has been learning tlhIngan Hol for wa' jar I can say that I have
> found it easiest to break up the prefixes into groups as the KLCP does. I then
> study the first nine or so prefixes (jI-, bI-, ma-, etc) and try to use them as much as
> possible, in speaking and writing. I've also found two other things useful: 1.)
> Mentally inserting the 0- or null prefix when I use it rather than ignoring it,and
> secondly to view (correctly or incorrectly, jISaHbe') the prefixes as "conjugation" of
> the verbs rather than additional words to learn.
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> As is the case in my Pali language studies, it's really about rote memorization.
> Most modern day language students don't realize how important repetition is. One
> of the ways I learned my Pali noun declensions is to buy several blank notebooks
> and write the entire declension table about two hundred times. If you read any Pali
> or Sanskrit grammar from the last century, they are full of declension charts to
> repeat over and over. It takes time, but in six months you can burn these concepts
> into your head for life. We modern students want it easy, but learning any foreign
> language is not for the indolent. Shortcuts only cheat us out of a very rewarding
> experience :).
>
> yItaH 'ej yIcheptaH
>
> HurDagh chu'wI'
>
> -----Original Message-----
> Date: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 7:45:59 am
> To: tlhingan-hol@kli.org
> From: "Lieven Litaer" <lieven.litaer@web.de>
> Subject: Re: Verb Prefix Chart
>
> I believe it depends on how you want to use it, to learn or to use it
> while learning?
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> Many people set up a table like it is used in TKD. I am using a table
> where the prefixes are sorted from an english (or german) point of view,
> because that's how you search for them, for instance
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> I (no object) = ...
> I - you = ...
> I - him = ...
> I - them = ...
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> you (no object) = ..
> you - you = ...
> you - him = ...
> you - them = ...
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