[89151] in tlhIngan-Hol
RE: mu'mey chu': ngIq
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Steven Boozer)
Mon Aug 22 15:19:39 2011
From: Steven Boozer <sboozer@uchicago.edu>
To: "tlhingan-hol@kli.org" <tlhingan-hol@kli.org>
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 14:13:33 -0500
In-Reply-To: <CAFK8js3o-qN7C55BpHmdypSSj02W1zRFbE=eRDEsD4mHdQZgcA@mail.gmail.com>
Errors-to: tlhingan-hol-bounce@kli.org
Reply-to: tlhingan-hol@kli.org
I found this example of "one by one" in my notes:
"I shall torture you to death, one by one." (Kang, TOS "Day of the Dove")
So experimenting with {ngIq}, this would be:
nqIq Sajoy'DI' SuHoH
or, like all of ghunchu'wI's sample sentence, do I need the pronoun in apposition to {ngIq}?
nqIq tlhIH Sajoy'DI' SuHoH
Hmm, I wonder... if KGT p.49 applies to {joy'} "torture" - and we have no examples in canon - could I say this even more succinctly:
? nqIq Sajoy'chu'
KGT p.49: "the verb suffix {-chu'} (perfectly), when used with some verbs of fighting, implies that the fight results in death. From the Klingon point of view, {Suvchu'} (fight perfectly) is fight to the death. A similar construction is used for dueling ({Hay'chu'}, duel to the death). On the other hand, {-chu'} does not add this meaning to all verbs. {HeDchu'} (retreat perfectly) means simply that there is a full withdrawal; though death may occur as part of the retreat, it is not necessarily implied by the verb.
--
Voragh
Ca'Non Master of the Klingons
ghunchu'wI' 'utlh:
> nqIq (n) - singular one, individual one
> There were two distinct examples of this word's use seen in the opera. One of
> them was obviously detailing how a group of warriors was killed one at a time:
> {ngIq nuv luHoH} "they killed the warriors one by one." The other was a thrice-
> repeated {ngIq tonSaw lo' 'ej...} "in one single move, he...", making it clear that
> each of several results was the result of the same action. I surmise that {ngIq}
> by itself could mean "the one and only".
> [snip]
> Qatlh mu'vam. loQ <Hoch> rur. cha' lo' chovnatlh DIlegh.
>
> wa' Doch nungchugh, le'chu' Dochvetlh. rurbogh latlh tu'lu'be'.
> <nqIq voDleH wItoy'.>
> wa' voDleH neH tu'lu'. ghaH wItoy'.
>
> Doch law' nungchugh, ghu' rap SIQ Hoch Doch, pagh ta' rap ta' Hoch Doch,
> 'ach quqbe'.
> le' Hoch Doch. SIQ/vang wa' ghIq SIQ/vang latlh ghIq SIQ/vang latlh...
> <ngIq paqmey vIlaD.>
> paq wa'DIch vIlaD. vIlaDta'DI', paq veb vIlaD. tagha' paq Qav vIlaD. reH wa'
> paq neH vIlaDlI'.
> <lomDaq tuy' ngIq SuvwI'pu'.>
> tlheghDaq Qam SuvwI'pu'. Duv SuvwI' wa'DIch 'ej tuy'. mej. Duv SuvwI' veD
> 'ej tuy'. mej. not tuy' cha' SuvwI'pu' quq.
>
> mobchugh <ngIq>, wa' le'chu'wI' 'oS 'e' vIloy, 'ach DIch vIghajlaHbe'.
