[86519] in tlhIngan-Hol
Re: nom*i*nal*ize 2. to convert (an underlying clause) into a noun
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (David Trimboli)
Mon Sep 14 16:56:48 2009
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 16:54:15 -0400
From: David Trimboli <david@trimboli.name>
In-reply-to: <SNT114-W3653C1D34C089EC033104EF2E40@phx.gbl>
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Agnieszka Solska wrote:
> There is another type 5 suffix (-lu'), indicating "that the subject is unknown,
> indefinite, and/or general" (TKD 4.2.5).
>
> Any ideas on whether it could be used together with {-ghach} to create nouns
> expressing something like "the process or act of doing something" or
"the state of
> being something, e.g.:
>
> ?qetlu'ghach - "running, (the process or act of) running"
> ?lajlu'ghach - "acceptance, (the process or act of) accepting"
> ?ghetlu'ghach - "pretense, (the process or act of) pretending"
> ?jIvlu'ghach - "ignorance, (the state of) being ignorant"
> ?Doghlu'ghach - "foolishness, (the state of) being foolish"
I think these are flat-out wrong, for the same reason you wouldn't say
*{bItlhutlhtaHghach}. {-lu'} has to do with the agent of the verb, but
the verb doesn't seem to be fully conjugated before {-ghach} is added to it.
In any case, the nouns you propose are simply what the verbs would
become if they had noun counterparts:
*qet "running"
laj "acceptance" (this is an actual word)
*ghet "pretense"
*jIv "ignorance"
*Dogh "foolishness"
And they are what you get if you improperly nominalize them with {-ghach}:
*qetghach "running"
*lajghach "acceptance"
*ghetghach "pretense"
*jIvghach "ignorance"
*Doghghach "foolishness"
This is demonstrated by applying {-ghach} properly:
qettaHghach "continuous running"
lajtaHghach "continuous acceptance"
ghettaHghach "continuous pretense"
jIvtaHghach "continuous ignorance"
DoghtaHghach "continuou foolishness"
There are suffix combinations that just don't work, and I think
{-lu'ghach} this is one of them. I also don't believe in {-lu'wI'}.
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