[86492] in tlhIngan-Hol
RE: HaSta chenmoHmeHwI'
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Steven Boozer)
Thu Sep 10 10:17:44 2009
From: Steven Boozer <sboozer@uchicago.edu>
To: "'tlhingan-hol@kli.org'" <tlhingan-hol@kli.org>
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 09:15:15 -0500
In-Reply-To: <EF8BD38499CB47B8B9EDBE33371FADFB@HPBrownPC>
Errors-to: tlhingan-hol-bounce@kli.org
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qe'San (Jon Brown) wrote:
>I assume there's nothing canon for it but wondered if anyone uses some
>descriptive form for camera? Or in fact have I missed something else.
>Failing that is there slang that some people have adopted for it..
I have nothing in my notes - either canon or slang.
>If not I wondered if anyone else would understand if I used {HaSta
>chenmoHmeHwI'} for {thing for creating visual display} or {camera}?
Or "person who creates visual display" (i.e. photographer, cameraman) or even a graphic designer! You would probably have to explain it regardless.
{Hew chenmoHwI'} "sculptor" (literally, "statue creator" appears in KGT (p.79). With that as a model, I've also seen *{mu'tay' chenmoHwI'} "lexicographer" and *{qa'vIn chenmoHwI'} "coffee maker" on the list.
But if you use {-wI'}, drop {-meH} and add a subject. "Purpose nouns" require a noun to be the *subject* of the phrase: e.g. {ghojmeH taj} a boy's knife ("knife for learning"); {pe'meH taj} cutting knife; {DevmeH paq} guidebook; {vutmeH 'un} flat-bottomed pot for food preparation; {QongmeH Duj} sleeper ship; {ngongmeH Duj} experimental (prototype) ship; {qa'meH vIttlhegh} replacement proverb; {SopmeH pa'} dining/eating room; {bachlu'meH chuqna'} effective range; {chenmoHlu'meH Daq} construction site.
There are also examples with additional object nouns: {HoS QaymeH 'och} power transfer conduit; {Soj polmeH pa'} food storage (both from the BOP Poster).
So you could say either:
*{HaSta chenmoHwI'} "thing/person that creates (a) visual display"
*{HaSta chenmoHmeH jan} "device for creating (a) visual display"
But instead of {chenmoH} "build, form, make, create", consider {qon} "record":
*{HaSta qonwI'} "visual display recorder"
*{HaSta qonmeH jan} "device for recording a visual display"
A third option is to use {-bogh} as Okrand did in KCD: {romuluSngan Sambogh 'ej HoHbogh nejwI'} "hunter-killer" (i.e. a Romulan assassin probe, also called a {HoHwI'} for short).
Whichever you choose, once you've established the context you would probably just use the simple {-wI'} form for short - either {chenmoHwI'} or {qonwI'} - unless you're talking about more than one type of recording device (e.g. cameras vs. sound recorders).
--
Voragh
Canon Master of the Klingons
