[84959] in tlhIngan-Hol
Re: "Update"
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (ghunchu'wI')
Mon Aug 4 18:52:48 2008
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Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 18:50:21 -0400
To: tlhingan-hol@kli.org
From: ghunchu'wI' <qunchuy@alcaco.net>
Errors-to: tlhingan-hol-bounce@kli.org
Reply-to: tlhingan-hol@kli.org
> Fiat Knox:
>>> chaq "chu'qa'choHmoHlu'" mu' lo'lu'? mu' vIchIl.
>
> DloraH:
>> -qa' and -choH are both type-3 verb suffixes.
>> A word can have only one suffix from each suffix type.
ja' Voragh:
> Fiat Knox was on the right track, he just needs to substitute the
> Type 4 suffix {-moH} (cause) for {-choH} (change in state): *
> {chu'(qa')moH} "make new (again)", i.e. "renovate" or "modernize".
It's not easy to see it in the forest of suffixes, but {-moH} was
already present.
ja'qa' Fiat Knox:
> I just considered putting forward the case for
>
> notlhHa'choHmoH
> (cause a change in the thing such that it ceases to be
> obsolete),
I'd just say {notlhHa'moH}.
There are relatively few occasions where many verb suffixes are
appropriate on a general translation for a given word. In this case,
{-choH} is basically unnecessary unless you really want to focus on
the act of changing the state. {-Ha'} can already imply the "change"
idea (I don't have TKD handy, but I recall it saying that {Do'Ha'}
suggests a turn of luck from good to bad).
> the usual meaning behind "update" in the sense of an update
> to, say, anti-virus software, where the update is applied
> to something to allow it to continue functioning at the
> accustomed level of efficiency.
It might be a US vs. UK thing, but I certainly don't see that as a
typical meaning of the word "update". I'd be more likely to explain
a software update as *improving* the function, for which we have a
perfect term in Klingon: {rach} "fortify, invigorate, strengthen".
-- ghunchu'wI'
