[84015] in tlhIngan-Hol
Re: KCD 2
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (David Trimboli)
Sat Jan 19 23:57:13 2008
Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 23:22:38 -0500
From: David Trimboli <david@trimboli.name>
In-reply-to: <f5b478ef0801191946g6367ed3w89c229e4c68171f7@mail.gmail.com>
To: tlhingan-hol@kli.org
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qa'vaj wrote:
> [boq vav]
The character you play is called Pok, which is pronounced {paq}.
> DaH!
The original being "Ah, yes," I'd translate this as {maj}.
> chontaymo' Ha'DIbaH HoHlu'bogh 'ey law' Hoch 'ey puS.
I'd probably simplify this as
chontay Ha'DIbaH 'ey law' Hoch 'ey puS
But your version isn't bad.
> toH! wamwI''e' naDev ghaH tu'lu'. boq, yIghoS! yIghoS!
You really want to use those topicalizers, don't you! :) But there's a
little problem here: in a "to be" sentence, the topic has to go AFTER
the pronoun! I'd also clip the "come" part to make it a little more natural.
toH, naDev ghaH wamwI''e'. paq, naDev ghoS! ghoS!
> loDHomvam'e' tIqnagh le'qu' pummoH naQjejDaj. tIqnagh'e' HoHbogh loDHomvam
> tIn law' yuQvamDaq tIqnagh'e' HoHbogh latlhpu' Hoch tIn puS.
Not bad, considering the controversy over topics and all. I think I'd
simplify this too. It needs simplifying, but my tired brain isn't
parsing well tonight.
For one, put {yuQvamDaq} before the rest of the sentence; make it a
locative for the entire sentence, not just the B part of the law'/puS.
> HIja'. puqloDwI' ghaHmo' jIHev.
One of my pet peeves is people using {HIja'}, {HISlaH}, or {ghobe'} when
not in response to a yes/no question. I'd rather incorporate it here as
certainty in the statement. ("Yessiree, I sure am proud he's my son!")
puqloDwI' ghaHmo' jIHevbej.
Alternatively:
ghaHvaD puqloD vIpongmo' jIHevbej.
> 'ej, wa'leS rInDI' nentay, SuvwI' puqloDwI' mojmo' jIHevqu'choH.
I feel tempted to add {-ta'} to {rIn}, since the Rite took place that
night. Tomorrow he doesn't call him warrior son "as soon as" the Rite is
finished.
Also, I think you can keep the symmetry of the original English like so:
'ej, wa'leS, rInta'DI' nentay, *SuvwI'* puqloD ghaHmo', jIHevqu'
I'd like to be able to put {-'e'} on {SuvwI'}, but I can't for two
reasons. Instead, it'll just have to be emphasized with intonation.
> (toast)
>
> puqloDwI''e', vavnI'pu'Daj tIgh pab 'e' wIv.
>
> boq'e', Qapla'!
>
> [latlh cha' tlhInganpu']
> Qapla'!
>
> [wa' tlhIngan, boq Quch HIvpa']
> Qapla'!
>
> [boq Quch HIv]
>
> Do we have a toast that translates as the classic toast "to so-and-so"?
> I think there may be canon for the right way to say head butt.
It's slang: {paw' paq tlhIngan je}. There is no non-slang verb for it.
(KGT 157-158)
I don't think there's any such known toast. On the other hand, I think
this is one case where the topicalizer is incontrovertibly appropriate!
SuStel
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