[84008] in tlhIngan-Hol
Re: KCD 1
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (David Trimboli)
Fri Jan 18 13:53:05 2008
Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 13:51:07 -0500
From: David Trimboli <david@trimboli.name>
In-reply-to: <f5b478ef0801172139p5b0f202se0aa2ceb017a24d9@mail.gmail.com>
To: tlhingan-hol@kli.org
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qa'vaj wrote:
> I was playing around with KCD, and hit a spot where one of the Klingons said
> something like "our houses have always stood door-to-door". I couldn't help
> wondering, how would a Klingon say that? It seems quite idiomatic.
How about
reH Sumchuq juHmeymaj
In context, the sentence was meant to mean that their physical dwellings
were next to each other, though there was an intentional and
disingenuous undertone of their Houses (note the capital letter) being
closely allied (which they were most certainly not).
I don't see how you could make that double-entendre work in Klingon
(though I haven't spent a great deal of time thinking about it!).
> qaHoH 'e' DaHar'a', loDHom?
>
> tlhInganpu' bopbogh qechvam'e' Daghojpu'. nubotbogh Hoch wIHoH. chunwI'
> wIreghmoH 'e' wItIv.
>
> teHbe' qechmeyvam. maHvaD potlh 'oH batlh'e'. batlh potlh law' Hoch potlh
> puS.
For the first sentence, how about {neplu'!}.
For the second sentence, how about {maHvaD potlhqu' batlh'e'}.
> 'ej nuq SoH? bIpuj 'ej DaghIjlu', Qa'Hom Darur.
I'd use a sentence fragment to start this off:
SoH? bIpuj 'ej...
> 'ej Qa'Hom HoHlu'chugh quvbe'lu'.
>
> 'a nov SoH.
>
> maqu' 'ej maSuv 'e' botu' neH tlhIH, novpu'.
I'd step away from translating one sentence for one sentence here, and
rearrange this a bit:
maqu' 'ej nuSeymoH vIq 'e' neH boghov tlhIH, novpu''e'
Notice also the placement of {neH}. We're not talking about "merely
noticing something," we're talking about "knowing something only."
> tIqmaj'e' botu'be' 'a reH nuDev tIqmaj'e'.
Gowron is definitely talking about {tIgh}, not {tIq}.
nuSIghmoHchu'bogh tIgh'e' Daghovbe'
> ngoDvammo' nughmaj So'bogh peghtaHgach'e' vIbIv 'e' vIwuq jIH, ghawron,
> tlhIngan yejquv DevwI'
> 'ej SoHvaD, DIvI' yoq, tlhIngan tIqna' vI'agh.
DIvI' yoq? I could never figure out what he said there...
You could drop {ngoDvammo'} in favor of a simple {vaj}.
> DaghIjlu''a', Human Qup? HIja'? DaghIjnISlu'. tlhIngan loDHom HoS, laH je
> QaQ puS HoSlIj laHlIj je QaQ rap.
>
> 'a ... choH ngoDvetlh.
Too close to the English. I didn't sense that Gowron's beginning here
was a rhetorical question, but an observation.
I don't think your law'/puS alternative is among our list of known
versions, is it?
bIruchvIp, Human Qup. bIruchvIpnISbej. Dojbe' HoSlIj laHlIj je;
tlhIngan loDHom Darur, 'a... choH ghu'vam.
> nItebHa' ghetmeH choQ Qu''a'vam wIRuch 'ej qaDvam Data'DI' tlhIngan nugh
> Daghojbe' neH, tlhIngan Damoj.
nItebHa' ghetmeH choQ Qu'vam, qaDvam, DarInmoHta'DI', tlhIngan yIn
rur yInlIj 'e' neH Daghojbe'. tlhIngan SoH 'e' Daghoj.
I wouldn't have thought to use {nItebHa'} here. I'd have tried a clumsy
{qatlhejtaHvIS}. majQa'!
> nov SoHtaHbe', bIpujtaHbe', Qa'Hom DarurtaHbe', 'a SuvwI' SoH.
bInovbe'choH, bIpujbe'choH, Qa'Hom Darurbe'choH, 'a SuvwI' SoH.
> ngugh qaHoHchugh jIquv. Hahahaha.
Hmm. I wonder if {qaHoHDI'} is better. :) Or how about {ngugh batlh qaHoH}?
> tajlIj yItlhap.
maj!
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