[83994] in tlhIngan-Hol
Re: Missing question words
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Doq)
Wed Jan 16 20:14:30 2008
From: Doq <doq@embarqmail.com>
To: tlhingan-hol@kli.org
In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.2.20080116161753.03bdd040@imap.uchicago.edu>
Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 20:12:20 -0500
Errors-to: tlhingan-hol-bounce@kli.org
Reply-to: tlhingan-hol@kli.org
Like it or not, {naDev} is a locative, and {juHwIj}, without {-Daq} is
not, so it is very odd to combine them without adding {-Daq} to
{juHwIj}.
Secondly, adding {-Daq} to {joj} ruins its use for measurement. You
are measuring the area between. You are not measuring the location of
the area between.
Thanks for catching my many errors, but I do think you introduced a
few of your own.
Doq
On Jan 16, 2008, at 5:38 PM, Steven Boozer wrote:
> qa'vaj:
>>>> That's also why I think that something like {naDevvo' juHwIjDaq
>>>> wa'SaD
>>>> qelI'qam ....} is the way to specify the distance. I just don't
>>>> know
>>>> how to complete the puzzle. Maybe {naDevvo' juHwIjDaq wa'SaD
>>>> qelI'qam
>>>> 'abbogh chuq tu'lu'}.
>
> Voragh:
>>> Since this discussion has migrated to more than one thread I may
>>> have
>>> missed it, but what's wrong with simply:
>>>
>>> naDevvo' juHwIjDaq wa'SaD qelI'qam 'oH chuq'e'.
>>> The distance from here to my house is 1,000 kellicams.
>>> From here to my house the distance is 1,000 kellicams.
>
> Doq:
>> How about:
>> naDev juHwIjDaq je joj 'oH wa'SaD qelI'qam'e'.
>
> Firstly, the subject {wa'SaD qelI'qam} is plural, so use {bIH}.
>
> Secondly, this would be:
>
> naDev juHwIj je jojDaq 'oH wa'SaD qelI'qam'e'.
>
> The locative suffix goes on the "area noun" (i.e. {Dung} "area above",
> {bIng} "area below", {'em} "area behind", et al.) in a noun+noun
> phrase. E.g.
>
> poSDaq nIHDaq je QamtaHvIS SuvwI'pu', chaH jojDaq yItnIS lopwI'
> The initiate must pass through a gauntlet of warriors. S9
>
> cha' choQmey naQ tu'lu' 'ej tep choQ bIngDaq lo' law' bID choQ
> tu'lu'
> 2 Full Decks and a Half Utility Deck under the Cargo Deck KBoP
>
> nagh DungDaq
> above the rock TKD
>
> Thirdly, I don't know if we need {je}. S9 is our only example of
> {joj}
> "area between", but aren't at least two things implied if you're
> between
> them? So:
>
> ? naDev juHwIj jojDaq 'oH wa'SaD qelI'qam'e'.
>
> Lastly, I still don't see the need for {-Daq}:
>
> ? naDev juHwIj joj(Daq) bIH wa'SaD qelI'qam'e'.
> 1,000 kellicams are/is (in) the area between here and my house.
>
> ? wa'SaD qelI'qam 'oH naDev juHwIj (je) joj'e'.
> The area between here and my house is 1,000 kellicams.
>
> ? wa'SaD qelI'qam 'ab naDev juHwIj (je) joj.
> The area between here and my house measures 1,000 kellicams.
>
> We haven't solved it yet.
>
>
>
>
> --
> Voragh
> Ca'Non Master of the Klingons
>
>
>
