[83933] in tlhIngan-Hol
Re: Topic (was Re: Specifying distance traveled)
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (QeS 'utlh)
Fri Jan 11 09:31:53 2008
From: QeS 'utlh <qeslagh@hotmail.com>
To: <tlhingan-hol@kli.org>
Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 00:30:07 +1000
Errors-to: tlhingan-hol-bounce@kli.org
Reply-to: tlhingan-hol@kli.org
ghItlhpu' Doq, ja':
>Reading again all that you have assembled and looking more closely at
>all the canon, it seems that {-'e'} is only used for emphasis.
I still believe that the example from ST5 (viz. {qIbDaq SuvwI''e' SoH
Dun law' Hoch Dun puS}) is an example of {-'e'} used to topicalise
rather than emphasise. It's the only incontrovertible usage of {-'e'} as a
header noun, but I'm not comfortable analysing it as an apposition to
{Hoch}, since surely the simpler {qIbDaq SoH Dun law' Hoch SuvwI''e'
Dun puS} "you are greater than all warriors in the galaxy" would be
more likely if {-'e'} were simply being used for emphasis.
On top of that, we have no evidence for apposition of this sort elsewhere
in Klingon, and certainly not when there's a mismatch between noun
functions: in {SuvwI'vaD cheng 'ang} "he revealed Chang for the benefit
of the warrior", I would never, not in a million years, interpret
{SuvwI'vaD} and {cheng} as referring to the same person. By analysing
{SuvwI''e'} here as an apposition to {Hoch}, essentially you're claiming
that you would be happy with such an analysis.
Also, if you analyse {SuvwI''e'} as an appositional noun to {Hoch}, the
connection between {SoH} and {SuvwI''e'} is lost. Analysed as a simple comparative with two headers, things become clearer: [in the galaxy]
[as for warriors] [you are greater than all] - implying that not only are
{Hoch} warriors, but so is {SoH}. The English translation, for what it's
worth, supports this connection 100%: "you would be the greatest
warrior in the galaxy".
QeS 'utlh
tlhIngan Hol yejHaD pab po'wI'
(Grammarian of the Klingon Language Institute)
not nItoj Hemey ngo' juppu' ngo' je
(Old roads and old friends will never deceive you)
- Ubykh Hol vIttlhegh
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