[3629] in tlhIngan-Hol
Re: Qaghqoq
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU)
Mon Mar 7 11:52:25 1994
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From: Will Martin <whm2m@uva.pcmail.virginia.edu>
To: "Klingon Language List" <tlhIngan-Hol@klingon.East.Sun.COM>
Date: Mon, 7 Mar 94 11:42:22 EST
On Mar 5, 10:06pm, Captain Krankor wrote:
> Subject: Qaghqoq
>
> [NOTE: Though this started in beginner-mode, this post is
> a direct reply to charghwI' and as such is not necessarily
> at beginner level]
>
>
> >> Bertha ghajpa' qorDu'wIj, targh pIm wIghajpu'.
> >
> >nuq? qorDu'lI' Dapar? {{:)> qub Qanqor Qaghmey. Hu'mey Qaghvam rap
QaghwIj.
> >QaghwIj tu'ta' Qanqor 'ej tlhaQqu' QaghwIj 'e' Qub Qanqor.
> >
> > mwaaahahahahahaha....
> >
> >charghwI'
>
> Qagh nuq? Qagh vIleghbe'. -wIj vIlo'mo'? lughbej -wIj. Hol lo'be'bej
> qorDu'. Hol lo'ba' qorDu'Daq nuvpu', 'ach rapbe' Dochmeyvam. jIQaghbe'
> 'ej mu'meywIj vIchoHqangbe'. bIHagh 'e' Damev DaH 'e' vIchaw'.
>
> --Qanqor
Interesting point. More accurately, I think it is a point unaddressed in
TKD. If a family is not capable of using language, though its members are
capable of using language because the group is a different kind of noun than
an individual, then any other group of jatlhwI'pu' would similarly not
receive the jalthwI' possessive suffixes. Hmm. Then it would seem that "my
brothers" should be "loDnI'pu'wIj", which sounds pretty derrogatory to me. It
is also weird because one suffix says they can speak while the other says
they can't.
Then again, "loDnI'mey" is not derrogatory. It just means that the
brothers are scattered all over the place. Meanwhile "loDnI'wIj" IS
derrogatory. I'd hedge my bets and say {qorDu'wI'}. Families are easily
disturbed by misunderstandings, and I prefer to err toward excessive respect.
I do agree, however, that it is a point not discussed at all in TKD, and
so is quite interesting, and I was incorrect to suggest that Qanqor was
WRONG, though perhaps somewhat arguably disrespectful. Also I wish to add
that the laughter was not intended to be at my captain's expense. It was
intended to be a chuckle among friends. I hope I did not step beyond my place
to do so. I do not count myself among those who enjoy seeing Qanqor
embarrassed.
charghwI'
