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naDev jIchu'

daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU)
Tue Jan 11 11:07:13 1994

Reply-To: "Klingon Language List" <tlhIngan-Hol@klingon.East.Sun.COM>
From: shoulson@ctr.columbia.edu (Mark E. Shoulson)
To: "Klingon Language List" <tlhIngan-Hol@klingon.East.Sun.COM>
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 1994 11:04:31 -0500
In-Reply-To: Al Goodnis's message of Tue, 11 Jan 94 09:01:14 EST <9401111401.AA
    01307@hawk.nest>


>From: Al Goodnis <al@concord.com>
>Date: Tue, 11 Jan 94 09:01:14 EST
>Content-Length: 100


>nuqneH,

qavan.

>   qor jIpong.  chotuv vItlhob.  tlhIngan Hol vIghojtaH.  loQ 'e' vIsov.

bIghoSpu'mo' bItIvjaj.  tlhIngan jatlhwI' chu' DIleghDI' maQuchbej.
Dochmey Daj DaghItlh 'e' vItul.

Sorry to switch into English now, but I guess I'd better do this in the
most understandable way possible, as it's my job as list grammarian to be a
pain when it comes to grammar.

I don't think "qor jIpong" really works.  If "qor" is the object of the
sentence, it should be "vIpong", but that'd likely mean "I call qor", and
leave you saying the wrong thing.  There was a long discussion about this
very topic on this list before; I'm not sure if there was a unanimous
resolution, but perhaps "qor jIpong'egh" would be okay (using the
double-objects we know we've seen in Power Klingon).  More verbose things
like "mupongmeH qor jatlhlu'" would also probably make sense.

The only other problem is "*loQ 'e' vISov".  "loQ" is an adverbial, ad even
if it stands alone as a sentence, I don't think it makes sense here, to use
it as the referent of the pronoun "'e'".  Perhaps just "loQ vISov" (I know
it slightly) or "loQ jISov" (I know slightly/a little bit).  The latter
sounds a little shaky to me.

>		   Qapla'
>		    -qor


Qapla'.  qalughmoHmo' yIQeHchoHQo'.  nulughmoHchugh pagh, pagh wIghoj.

~mark


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