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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] Klingon Word of the Day: yItlhHa'
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (De'vID)
Thu Mar 21 09:31:33 2019
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From: "De'vID" <de.vid.jonpin@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2019 14:31:17 +0100
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On Mon, 18 Mar 2019 at 23:13, De'vID <de.vid.jonpin@gmail.com> wrote:
> It seems to me that {-Ha'} acts differently depending on whether the verb
> is a verb of quality (a "to be" verb) or an action, and whether it is
> reversible or not (or to put it another way, whether the opposite state or
> action is considered to be related to the original verb by a reversal).
>
> Here are examples of the four possible verb types:
> {ghungHa'} "be unhungry" (be satiated, as being hungry is a state which
> can be undone or reversed)
> {jaQHa'} "be shallow" (while the act of making something deep is
> reversible, being deep itself is not, so this is just the opposite state)
> {jotlhHa'} "put back up" ({jotlh} is considered to have a reverse or
> opposite action)
> {jatlhHa'} "misspeak" ({jatlh} is not reversible or has no opposite, so
> this has to be interpreted as "speak wrongly")
>
> I think that {jotlhHa'} *cannot* be interpreted as "take down wrongly" and
> {jatlhHa'} *cannot* be understood as "un-speak". Of course, for some verbs,
> it may not be possible to tell based on the definition whether Klingons
> consider them to be reversible or not, like {'ey}.
>
> Now someone will post canon counterexamples which prove my observation
> wrong.
>
Really? No objections or counterexamples? Are most people on away missions?
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">=
<div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, 18 Mar 2019 at 23:13, De'=
vID <<a href=3D"mailto:de.vid.jonpin@gmail.com">de.vid.jonpin@gmail.com<=
/a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0=
px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><=
div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr">It seems to me that {-Ha'} acts differ=
ently depending on whether the verb is a verb of quality (a "to be&quo=
t; verb) or an action, and whether it is reversible or not (or to put it an=
other way, whether the opposite state or action is considered to be related=
to the original verb by a reversal).=C2=A0<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_qu=
ote"><div><br></div><div>Here are examples of the four possible verb types:=
</div><div>{ghungHa'} "be unhungry" (be satiated, as being hu=
ngry is a state which can be undone or reversed)</div><div>{jaQHa'} &qu=
ot;be shallow" (while the act of making something deep is reversible, =
being deep itself is not, so this is just the opposite state)</div></div><d=
iv>{jotlhHa'} "put back up" ({jotlh} is considered to have a =
reverse or opposite action)</div><div>{jatlhHa'} "misspeak" (=
{jatlh} is not reversible or has no opposite, so this has to be interpreted=
as "speak wrongly")</div><div><br></div><div>I think that {jotlh=
Ha'} *cannot* be interpreted as "take down wrongly" and {jatl=
hHa'} *cannot* be understood as "un-speak". Of course, for so=
me verbs, it may not be possible to tell based on the definition whether Kl=
ingons consider them to be reversible or not, like {'ey}.</div><div><br=
></div><div>Now someone will post canon counterexamples which prove my obse=
rvation wrong.</div></div></blockquote></div><div><br></div><div>Really? No=
objections or counterexamples? Are most people on away missions?</div><div=
><br></div>-- <br><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_signature">De'vID</di=
v></div>
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