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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] -meH with -pu'/-ta'
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Will Martin)
Wed Mar 13 11:49:07 2019
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From: Will Martin <willmartin2@mac.com>
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2019 11:49:01 -0400
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Man am I rusty, or sleep deprived or something. Jeeze.
vIghro=E2=80=99 tIQlIj yItIv. DuQaHlaHbogh Qel QaQ vISov.
charghwI=E2=80=99 vaghnerya=E2=80=99ngan
rInpa=E2=80=99 bomnIS be=E2=80=99=E2=80=99a=E2=80=99 pI=E2=80=99.
> On Mar 13, 2019, at 11:46 AM, Will Martin <willmartin2@mac.com> wrote:
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> To me, {vIghro=E2=80=99 tIQ vIje=E2=80=99ta=E2=80=99meH, HuchwIj Hoch =
vI=E2=80=99anmoHpu=E2=80=99} sounds like I=E2=80=99ve already purchased =
the ancient cat, and then, mysteriously, I=E2=80=99ve paid money. The =
double perfective just seems weird. I have sacrificed money (burning it =
on an alter, perhaps?). Toward what purpose had I sacrificed the money? =
I sacrificed it toward the mission of having already accomplished =
feeding the cat. Or buying it.
>=20
> I think it would be much clearer for you to just say {qatlh Huch =
vIHutlh? vIghro=E2=80=99 tIQvam vIje=E2=80=99ta=E2=80=99.} I assume =
you=E2=80=99d be smiling, proudly, with perhaps just a hint of mania =
behind the eyes.
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> =E2=80=A6 at which point I would smile and raise my hands in a =
non-threatening, defensive posture and back slowly out of the room while =
replying, {vIghro=E2=80=99 tIQlIj yItIv. Qel QaQ DaQaHlaHbogh vISov=E2=80=A6=
}
>=20
> charghwI=E2=80=99 vaghnerya=E2=80=99ngan
>=20
> rInpa=E2=80=99 bomnIS be=E2=80=99=E2=80=99a=E2=80=99 pI=E2=80=99.
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
>> On Mar 13, 2019, at 11:22 AM, Jeffrey Clark <jmclark85@gmail.com =
<mailto:jmclark85@gmail.com>> wrote:
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>>=20
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>> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Mar 13, 2019, at 10:03, mayqel qunen'oS <mihkoun@gmail.com =
<mailto:mihkoun@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> {vIghro' tIQ vIje'meH, HuchwIj Hoch vI'anmoHpu'}
>>> In order to buy the ancient cat, I went bankrupt.
>>>=20
>>> How would this be any different from writing:
>>>=20
>>> {vIghro' tIQ vIje'ta'meH, HuchwIj Hoch vI'anmoHpu'} ?
>>=20
>> The English translations seem awkward, but the distinction in Klingon =
makes sense to me. In the second one, you are affirming/emphasising that =
you did, indeed, buy the cat. Whereas in the first one it=E2=80=99s =
kinda left ambiguous.
>>=20
>> =E2=80=94jevreH
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am I rusty, or sleep deprived or something. Jeeze.<div class=3D""><br =
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<div><br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">On Mar 13, 2019, at 11:46 AM, Will Martin <<a =
href=3D"mailto:willmartin2@mac.com" class=3D"">willmartin2@mac.com</a>>=
wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><meta=
http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8" =
class=3D""><div style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: =
space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D""><div class=3D"">To me, =
{vIghro=E2=80=99 tIQ vIje=E2=80=99ta=E2=80=99meH, HuchwIj Hoch =
vI=E2=80=99anmoHpu=E2=80=99} sounds like I=E2=80=99ve already purchased =
the ancient cat, and then, mysteriously, I=E2=80=99ve paid money. The =
double perfective just seems weird. I have sacrificed money (burning it =
on an alter, perhaps?). Toward what purpose had I sacrificed the money? =
I sacrificed it toward the mission of having already accomplished =
feeding the cat. Or buying it.</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">I think it would be much clearer for =
you to just say {qatlh Huch vIHutlh? vIghro=E2=80=99 tIQvam =
vIje=E2=80=99ta=E2=80=99.} I assume you=E2=80=99d be smiling, proudly, =
with perhaps just a hint of mania behind the eyes.</div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">=E2=80=A6 at which point =
I would smile and raise my hands in a non-threatening, defensive posture =
and back slowly out of the room while replying, {vIghro=E2=80=99 tIQlIj =
yItIv. Qel QaQ DaQaHlaHbogh vISov=E2=80=A6}</div><br class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">
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class=3D"">rInpa=E2=80=99 bomnIS be=E2=80=99=E2=80=99a=E2=80=99 =
pI=E2=80=99.</div><div style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: =
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<div class=3D""><br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">On Mar 13, 2019, at 11:22 AM, Jeffrey Clark <<a =
href=3D"mailto:jmclark85@gmail.com" class=3D"">jmclark85@gmail.com</a>>=
wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><meta=
http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8" =
class=3D""><div dir=3D"auto" class=3D""><br class=3D""><br class=3D""><div=
class=3D"">Sent from my iPhone</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D"">On =
Mar 13, 2019, at 10:03, mayqel qunen'oS <<a =
href=3D"mailto:mihkoun@gmail.com" class=3D"">mihkoun@gmail.com</a>> =
wrote:</div><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
id=3D"d_1552485795138" style=3D"font-size: 9pt;" class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class=3D"">{vIghro' tIQ =
vIje'meH, HuchwIj Hoch vI'anmoHpu'}</div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px;" class=3D"">In order to buy the ancient cat, I went =
bankrupt.</div>
<br class=3D""><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" =
class=3D"">How would this be any different from writing:</div>
<br class=3D""><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" =
class=3D"">{vIghro' tIQ vIje'ta'meH, HuchwIj Hoch vI'anmoHpu'} =
?</div></div></blockquote><br class=3D""><div class=3D"">The English =
translations seem awkward, but the distinction in Klingon makes sense to =
me. In the second one, you are affirming/emphasising that you did, =
indeed, buy the cat. Whereas in the first one it=E2=80=99s kinda left =
ambiguous.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">=E2=80=94jevreH</div></div>____________________________________=
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