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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] A long document
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Will Martin)
Mon Mar 11 12:34:51 2019
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From: Will Martin <willmartin2@mac.com>
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2019 12:28:03 -0400
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And I would not argue at all. I agree much more than you can imagine.
But that gets into the philosophical realm. I believe that =
Relativity=E2=80=99s =E2=80=9CSpaceTime=E2=80=9D is actually =
=E2=80=9CMotion=E2=80=9D and that Existence depends upon Motion. And =
since this is not about the Klingon language I=E2=80=99m going to have =
to change to Klingon in order to continue it on this list (which may =
prove limiting).
nuq =E2=80=98oH qa=E2=80=99vIn HIvje=E2=80=99wIj=E2=80=99e=E2=80=99?
tera=E2=80=99 oHpu=E2=80=99. vIHDI=E2=80=99 tera=E2=80=99na' vIH =
HIvje=E2=80=99Hey.=20
tlhanlu=E2=80=99DI=E2=80=99 tera=E2=80=99vo=E2=80=99 chevlu=E2=80=99. =
DabqI=E2=80=99 moj. jaS vIHlaH tera=E2=80=99, DabqI=E2=80=99vam je. =
vIHDI=E2=80=99 DabqI=E2=80=99na=E2=80=99 vIH HIvje=E2=80=99law=E2=80=99.=20=
HIvje=E2=80=99 tu=E2=80=99qom chenmoHta' vay' ghopDu=E2=80=99. =E2=80=98op=
DabqI=E2=80=99 teq ghopDu=E2=80=99vam. jaS vIHlaH HIvje=E2=80=99 =
DabqI=E2=80=99, DabqI=E2=80=99=E2=80=99e' teqlu=E2=80=99pu=E2=80=99bogh =
ghopDu=E2=80=99 je.
vIHDI=E2=80=99 tu=E2=80=99qomvamna=E2=80=99 vIH HIvje=E2=80=99law=E2=80=99=
. letmoH qul =E2=80=98ej =E2=80=98IHmoH. DaH HIvje=E2=80=99na' moj. =
vIHDI=E2=80=99 HIvje=E2=80=99vam, vIH wa=E2=80=99 Doch. HIvje=E2=80=99 =
=E2=80=98oHtaH Dochvam=E2=80=99e=E2=80=99.
HIvje=E2=80=99vamDaq qa=E2=80=99vIn vIqang. qa=E2=80=99vIn ngaStaHvIS =
HIvje=E2=80=99vam, wa=E2=80=99Doch =E2=80=98oHtaH. vIHDI=E2=80=99 =
HIvje=E2=80=99, vIH qa=E2=80=99vIn.=20
qa=E2=80=99vIn vItlhutlhDI=E2=80=99 jIH moj qa=E2=80=99vIn =E2=80=98ej =
HIvje=E2=80=99 mojHa=E2=80=99 qa=E2=80=99vIn. jaS vIH HIvje=E2=80=99 =
qa=E2=80=99vIn je. jIvIHDI=E2=80=99 vIH qa=E2=80=99vIn. wa=E2=80=99 nuv =
wImoj jIH, qa=E2=80=99vIn je.
HIvje=E2=80=99 vIchaghchugh, =E2=80=98oHHa=E2=80=99 HIvje=E2=80=99. =
=E2=80=98ay=E2=80=99mey moj. jaS vIH =E2=80=98ay=E2=80=99meyvam. wa=E2=80=99=
Doch luchaHbe=E2=80=99.
wanI'mey chaH Hoch Doch. chaq ngaj. chaq nI=E2=80=99. reH =E2=80=98oHtaH =
pagh. [All things have a finite duration, except for the infinitely =
changing Universes.]
vIH Hoch. vIHbe=E2=80=99 pagh.
qatlh chImlaw' HeySel joj logh? vIHbe=E2=80=99law=E2=80=99.
chaq HeySel joj logh Do law=E2=80=99 tamghay Do puS. gho=E2=80=99Do=E2=80=99=
=E2=80=99e=E2=80=99 =E2=80=98u=E2=80=99 =E2=80=98oHtaH.
[For purposes of the list, you can ignore the rest of this message.] =
ramchu=E2=80=99.
Perhaps the =E2=80=9Cempty=E2=80=9D space between atoms is full of mass =
moving faster than the speed of light, with infinite momentum, moving in =
streams tangential to our atoms, in opposite pairs on either side of =
each atom, enforcing the extreme distance between our atoms, and =
enforcing Critical Mass, shearing off the outer shell of heavy metals, =
releasing enormous energy while creating more tolerable, smaller atomic =
masses into which the intolerable mass decays, mostly near the center of =
the physical object made of the offending critical mass, which explains =
the math of half-life.
Perhaps these streams move in vast elliptical orbits (the most common =
pattern of motion in the observable Universe on all scales of size), and =
perhaps multiple systems of these streams (multiple Universes) share =
focal points for these orbits, creating areas where the density of =
streams is less because an atom can be participating in multiple =
Universes in those locations. With less density of streams, higher =
masses could be tolerable =E2=80=94 changing the threshold for Critical =
Mass so that atoms could become much denser, explaining Black Holes, and =
why they don=E2=80=99t suck in all mass =E2=80=94 the higher Critical =
Mass is defined by location relative to the common participant Universes =
at that focal point.
Also, it explains Gravity as a resultant force of inward pressure from =
all directions except =E2=80=9Cdown=E2=80=9D, where the streams are =
narrowed by the resistance of having passed through all the mass of the =
planet below you. Less pressure from below gives you a net accelerating =
force downward.
And perhaps the streams are the medium for light, explaining how a wave =
form can be carried by a =E2=80=9Cvacuum=E2=80=9D, without the need to =
pretend like it=E2=80=99s a particle. And the spacing of the streams in =
the array would explain Quantum Physics, since at the smallest scale of =
existence, there is a watershed energy threshold required to cross a =
stream during the brief time that there is no mass passing along it, =
breaking light and other energies into Quanta.
This is what I think about when I=E2=80=99m not thinking about the =
Klingon language, playing pool, building metal models, learning ASL, =
playing in an Irish band, thinking about airplanes and what makes them =
fly, helping people with their computers, amplifying live bands and =
callers for contra dancers, calling contra dances, or being social with =
family, etc. It=E2=80=99s part of my sound track when I=E2=80=99m going =
off to sleep or waking up.
Likely, there are other over-thinkers here. I don=E2=80=99t assume I=E2=80=
=99m unique. It=E2=80=99s just that this kind of stuff never comes up in =
normal conversations, so I can never be sure how strange or normal this =
kind of thinking is within any given population.
What I don=E2=80=99t understand is boredom. With so much to think about, =
how can anyone be bored?
charghwI=E2=80=99 vaghnerya=E2=80=99ngan
rInpa=E2=80=99 bomnIS be=E2=80=99=E2=80=99a=E2=80=99 pI=E2=80=99.
> On Mar 11, 2019, at 9:51 AM, Daniel Dadap <daniel@dadap.net> wrote:
>=20
>=20
>> On Mar 11, 2019, at 08:31, Will Martin <willmartin2@mac.com> wrote:
>>=20
>> Writing is not 3-D. Signing is. Spoken language is not 3-D. Signing =
is.
>=20
> I=E2=80=99d argue that signing is actually 4-D. It encodes information =
as movements (which require time) across all three spatial dimensions.
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class=3D"">And I would not argue at all. I agree much more than you can =
imagine.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">But =
that gets into the philosophical realm. I believe that Relativity=E2=80=99=
s =E2=80=9CSpaceTime=E2=80=9D is actually =E2=80=9CMotion=E2=80=9D and =
that Existence depends upon Motion. And since this is not about the =
Klingon language I=E2=80=99m going to have to change to Klingon in order =
to continue it on this list (which may prove limiting).</div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">nuq =E2=80=98oH qa=E2=80=99=
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class=3D"">wanI'mey chaH Hoch Doch. chaq ngaj. chaq nI=E2=80=99. reH =
=E2=80=98oHtaH pagh. [All things have a finite duration, except for the =
infinitely changing Universes.]</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">vIH Hoch. vIHbe=E2=80=99 =
pagh.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">qatlh =
chImlaw' HeySel joj logh? vIHbe=E2=80=99law=E2=80=99.</div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">chaq HeySel joj logh Do =
law=E2=80=99 tamghay Do puS. gho=E2=80=99Do=E2=80=99=E2=80=99e=E2=80=99 =
=E2=80=98u=E2=80=99 =E2=80=98oHtaH.</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">[For purposes of the list, you can =
ignore the rest of this message.] ramchu=E2=80=99.</div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Perhaps the =E2=80=9Cempty=
=E2=80=9D space between atoms is full of mass moving faster than the =
speed of light, with infinite momentum, moving in streams tangential to =
our atoms, in opposite pairs on either side of each atom, enforcing the =
extreme distance between our atoms, and enforcing Critical Mass, =
shearing off the outer shell of heavy metals, releasing enormous energy =
while creating more tolerable, smaller atomic masses into which the =
intolerable mass decays, mostly near the center of the physical object =
made of the offending critical mass, which explains the math of =
half-life.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">Perhaps these streams move in vast elliptical orbits (the =
most common pattern of motion in the observable Universe on all scales =
of size), and perhaps multiple systems of these streams (multiple =
Universes) share focal points for these orbits, creating areas where the =
density of streams is less because an atom can be participating in =
multiple Universes in those locations. With less density of streams, =
higher masses could be tolerable =E2=80=94 changing the threshold for =
Critical Mass so that atoms could become much denser, explaining Black =
Holes, and why they don=E2=80=99t suck in all mass =E2=80=94 the higher =
Critical Mass is defined by location relative to the common participant =
Universes at that focal point.</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Also, it explains Gravity as a =
resultant force of inward pressure from all directions except =
=E2=80=9Cdown=E2=80=9D, where the streams are narrowed by the resistance =
of having passed through all the mass of the planet below you. Less =
pressure from below gives you a net accelerating force =
downward.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">And =
perhaps the streams are the medium for light, explaining how a wave form =
can be carried by a =E2=80=9Cvacuum=E2=80=9D, without the need to =
pretend like it=E2=80=99s a particle. And the spacing of the streams in =
the array would explain Quantum Physics, since at the smallest scale of =
existence, there is a watershed energy threshold required to cross a =
stream during the brief time that there is no mass passing along it, =
breaking light and other energies into Quanta.</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">This is what I think about when I=E2=80=99=
m not thinking about the Klingon language, playing pool, building metal =
models, learning ASL, playing in an Irish band, thinking about airplanes =
and what makes them fly, helping people with their computers, amplifying =
live bands and callers for contra dancers, calling contra dances, or =
being social with family, etc. It=E2=80=99s part of my sound track when =
I=E2=80=99m going off to sleep or waking up.</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Likely, there are other over-thinkers =
here. I don=E2=80=99t assume I=E2=80=99m unique. It=E2=80=99s just that =
this kind of stuff never comes up in normal conversations, so I can =
never be sure how strange or normal this kind of thinking is within any =
given population.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">What I don=E2=80=99t understand is boredom. With so much to =
think about, how can anyone be bored?</div><br class=3D""><div class=3D"">=
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<div><br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">On Mar 11, 2019, at 9:51 AM, Daniel Dadap <<a =
href=3D"mailto:daniel@dadap.net" class=3D"">daniel@dadap.net</a>> =
wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D"">On Mar =
11, 2019, at 08:31, Will Martin <<a href=3D"mailto:willmartin2@mac.com"=
class=3D"">willmartin2@mac.com</a>> wrote:<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">Writing is not 3-D. Signing is. Spoken language is not 3-D. =
Signing is.<br class=3D""></blockquote><br class=3D"">I=E2=80=99d argue =
that signing is actually 4-D. It encodes information as movements (which =
require time) across all three spatial dimensions.<br =
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