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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] naDev and 'el
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (SuStel)
Mon Mar 11 12:11:45 2019
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On 3/11/2019 12:04 PM, Steven Boozer wrote:
>
> {naDev Da’elpa’}.
>
> If you asking about {naDev}, it’s a noun in Klingon not an adverbial,
> and thus can be the object of a verb. If you’re asking whether {‘el}
> takes an object, it does; e.g.:
>
> *tach vI'el*, *HItlhej*
> Let's go to the pub. (RT)
>
> *Hevetlh wIghoSchugh veH tIn wI'el maH'e'*
>
> that course will take /us/ into the [/Great/] Barrier as well! (ST5)**
>
> **
>
> *neHmaH Da'el net tu'*
> Caught breaching the Neutral Zone. (MKE)
>
He's asking whether *'el* is a verb with an inherent locative sense. The
answer is no, it is not. The object of *'el* does not have to be a
locative. The fact that *naDev* is automatically locative doesn't change
the lack of locative requirements of *'el.*
*tugh naDev wI'el
*/Soon we will enter here./
It's awkward in English to say /enter here;/ I wonder if *naDev* being
inherently locative makes this just as awkward in Klingon. You might
prefer sentences like *tugh pa'vam wI'el* or *tugh Daqvam wI'el.*
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 3/11/2019 12:04 PM, Steven Boozer
wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:BL0PR11MB3379BBBC3F79A345FFE49937C1480@BL0PR11MB3379.namprd11.prod.outlook.com">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">{naDev
Da’elpa’}.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">If
you asking about {naDev}, it’s a noun in Klingon not an
adverbial, and thus can be the object of a verb. If you’re
asking whether {‘el} takes an object, it does; e.g.:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><b>tach vI'el</b>,
<b>HItlhej</b>
<br>
Let's go to the pub. (RT)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b>Hevetlh wIghoSchugh veH tIn wI'el maH'e'</b>
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">that course will take <i>us</i> into the [<i>Great</i>]
Barrier as well! (ST5)<b><o:p></o:p></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><o:p> </o:p></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><b><span
style="color:#C00000">neHmaH Da'el net tu'</span></b>
<br>
Caught breaching the Neutral Zone. (MKE)</p>
</blockquote>
<p>He's asking whether <b>'el</b> is a verb with an inherent
locative sense. The answer is no, it is not. The object of <b>'el</b>
does not have to be a locative. The fact that <b>naDev</b> is
automatically locative doesn't change the lack of locative
requirements of <b>'el.</b></p>
<p><b>tugh naDev wI'el<br>
</b><i>Soon we will enter here.</i></p>
<p>It's awkward in English to say <i>enter here;</i> I wonder if <b>naDev</b>
being inherently locative makes this just as awkward in Klingon.
You might prefer sentences like <b>tugh pa'vam wI'el</b> or <b>tugh
Daqvam wI'el.</b><br>
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