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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] chevchuqmoH
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (SuStel)
Tue Mar 5 10:15:02 2019
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Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2019 10:14:58 -0500
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On 3/5/2019 10:03 AM, Daniel Dadap wrote:
> On Mar 5, 2019, at 08:56, SuStel <sustel@trimboli.name
> <mailto:sustel@trimboli.name>> wrote:
>
>> On 3/5/2019 9:35 AM, mayqel qunen'oS wrote:
>>> If we say:
>>>
>>> {tlhInganpu' romuluSnganpu' chevchuqmoH qeylIS}
>>>
>> I don't think the sentence is meaningful. *-chuq* means the subject
>> is plural and does the verb to each other. It doesn't work for the
>> object.
>>
>
> But the {-moH} is important here. If the object of a {-moH}ed verb can
> be the subject of the action being {moH}ed, I think it could be
> meaningful in the same way {Qo'noS tuqmey muvchuqmoH qeylIS} is.
> {qeylIS} is the singular subject of {muvchuqmoH}; the {tuqmey} are the
> plural object of {muvchuqmoH} which makes them into the plural subject
> of {muvchuq}.
Here we go again. In mayqel's proposed sentence, *tlhInganpu' *and
*romuluSnganpu'* are not the subjects of anything. *qeylIS* is the only
subject anywhere. *tlhInganpu'* and *romuluSnganpu'* might be considered
as entities that perform *chevchuq,* but the verb isn't *chevchuq,* it's
*chevchuqmoH.* The suffix *-chuq* doesn't mean whoever is performing an
action performs it on each other; it means whoever is the subject does
the verb on each other. In this sentence, the subject is not performing
the action; he is causing the action to be performed.
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 3/5/2019 10:03 AM, Daniel Dadap
wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">On Mar 5, 2019, at 08:56, SuStel <<a
href="mailto:sustel@trimboli.name" moz-do-not-send="true">sustel@trimboli.name</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 3/5/2019 9:35 AM, mayqel
qunen'oS wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:CAP7F2cKcPbbJp_FfetzOTR=-KU3mvRZTO1ho70hB7_j6ZMHUXw@mail.gmail.com">
<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">If we say:
{tlhInganpu' romuluSnganpu' chevchuqmoH qeylIS}
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<p>I don't think the sentence is meaningful. <b>-chuq</b>
means the subject is plural and does the verb to each other.
It doesn't work for the object.</p>
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<div>But the {-moH} is important here. If the object of a {-moH}ed
verb can be the subject of the action being {moH}ed, I think it
could be meaningful in the same way {<span
style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Qo'noS
tuqmey muvchuqmoH qeylIS} is. {qeylIS} is the singular subject
of {muvchuqmoH}; the {tuq</span><span style="background-color:
rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">mey} are the plural object of
{muvchuqmoH} which makes them into the plural subject of
{muvchuq}.</span></div>
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<p>Here we go again. In mayqel's proposed sentence, <b>tlhInganpu'
</b>and <b>romuluSnganpu'</b> are not the subjects of anything. <b>qeylIS</b>
is the only subject anywhere. <b>tlhInganpu'</b> and <b>romuluSnganpu'</b>
might be considered as entities that perform <b>chevchuq,</b> but
the verb isn't <b>chevchuq,</b> it's <b>chevchuqmoH.</b> The
suffix <b>-chuq</b> doesn't mean whoever is performing an action
performs it on each other; it means whoever is the subject does
the verb on each other. In this sentence, the subject is not
performing the action; he is causing the action to be performed.<br>
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