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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] -moH on ghoS and jaH
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Jeffrey Clark)
Wed Feb 20 13:00:07 2019
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From: Jeffrey Clark <jmclark85@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2019 12:59:57 -0500
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> On Feb 20, 2019, at 12:49, SuStel=20
> We have exactly the same situation here. The (direct) object of ghoS is th=
e path followed, not the person following it, so since the prefix qa- indica=
tes a person, it must be indicating the indirect object. There's your prefix=
trick right there. DujDaq qaghoSmoH means In the ship, I cause you to go (a=
long some unspecified path). It's ambiguous in the sentence whether you or I=
or both of us are in the ship, but you're not going to the ship. Going to t=
he ship would be Duj qaghoSmoH or SoHvaD Duj vIghoSmoH.
>=20
I see. That makes sense. So in this case the =E2=80=9Cbeneficiary=E2=80=9D o=
f the action (marked with -vaD) is made to go to the location (marked as the=
direct object). So it follows the same pattern as all the other -moH transi=
tive verbs (don=E2=80=99t know why I overthought it).
So, something like: {quSDajDaq jagh yaSvaD bIghHa=E2=80=99 jaHmoH HoDma=E2=80=
=99} would be =E2=80=9C=46rom his chair, our captain made the enemy officer g=
o to prision=E2=80=9D?
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><br><br><div id=3D"AppleMailSignature">Sent=
from my iPhone</div><div><br>On Feb 20, 2019, at 12:49, SuStel </div><=
blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><blockquote>
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<p>We have exactly the same situation here. The (direct) object of <b>gh=
oS</b>
is the path followed, not the person following it, so since the
prefix <b>qa-</b> indicates a person, it must be indicating the
indirect object. There's your prefix trick right there. <b>DujDaq
qaghoSmoH</b> means <i>In the ship, I cause you to go (along
some unspecified path).</i> It's ambiguous in the sentence
whether you or I or both of us are in the ship, but you're not
going <i>to</i> the ship. Going to the ship would be <b>Duj
qaghoSmoH</b> or <b>SoHvaD Duj vIghoSmoH.</b></p></div></blockquote>=
<div>I see. That makes sense. So in this case the =E2=80=9Cbeneficiary=E2=80=
=9D of the action (marked with -vaD) is made to go to the location (marked a=
s the direct object). So it follows the same pattern as all the other -moH t=
ransitive verbs (don=E2=80=99t know why I overthought it).</div><div><br></d=
iv><div>So, something like: {quSDajDaq jagh yaSvaD bIghHa=E2=80=99 jaHmoH Ho=
Dma=E2=80=99} would be =E2=80=9C=46rom his chair, our captain made the enemy=
officer go to prision=E2=80=9D?</div><div><br></div><div>=E2=80=94jevreH</d=
iv></body></html>=
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