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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] Placement of the adverb
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (mayqel qunenoS)
Fri Oct 13 07:06:12 2017
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From: mayqel qunenoS <mihkoun@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 16:26:11 +0300
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So, if I understand correctly, the grammatically correct sentence is {paq
vIlaDtaHvIS, pIj jIHagh}. Right ?
Because I was wondering which of these two sentences was right, and which
was wrong. Although as I understand, placing the {pIj} right before the
{paq vIlaDtaHvIS}, isn't actually wrong, but rather something which would
occur more often while speaking as opposed to writing.
If I understand correctly your reply, in order to be grammatically correct,
the adverb has to be placed right before the verb to which it refers (in
our examples the {jIHagh}).
Are these conclusions correct ?
mayqel q
On Oct 11, 2017 16:03, "SuStel" <sustel@trimboli.name> wrote:
> On 10/11/2017 7:11 AM, mayqel qunenoS wrote:
>
> Is there a difference between these two sentences ?
>
> {pIj, paqvam vIlaDtaHvIS, jIHagh}
> {paqvam vIlaDtaHvIS, pIj jIHagh}
>
> or between these two:
>
> {pIj, paqvammo' jIHagh}
> {paqvammo', pIj jIHagh}
>
> What you're asking is, can Klingons set aside parenthetical phrases? *Often,
> while I'm reading this book, I laugh.* Notice that I set the while-clause
> apart from the sentence with commas. This indicates an interruption of my
> thought. I would not let it run on: *Often while I'm reading this book I
> laugh.*
>
> Do Klingons do this? Probably. Everyday Klingon speech is probably a lot
> less formal than we teach on this list. I don't think we've seen this
> particular thing being done before, though.
>
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<div dir=3D"auto">So, if I understand correctly, the grammatically correct =
sentence is {paq vIlaDtaHvIS, pIj jIHagh}. Right ?<div dir=3D"auto"><br></d=
iv><div dir=3D"auto">Because I was wondering which of these two sentences w=
as right, and which was wrong. Although as I understand, placing the {pIj} =
right before the {paq vIlaDtaHvIS}, isn't actually wrong, but rather so=
mething which would occur more often while speaking as opposed to writing.<=
/div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">If I understand correctl=
y your reply, in order to be grammatically correct, the adverb has to be pl=
aced right before the verb to which it refers (in our examples the {jIHagh}=
).</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Are these conclusions=
correct ?</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">mayqel q</div=
></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Oct 11,=
2017 16:03, "SuStel" <<a href=3D"mailto:sustel@trimboli.name"=
>sustel@trimboli.name</a>> wrote:<br type=3D"attribution"><blockquote cl=
ass=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;p=
adding-left:1ex">
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<div class=3D"m_-1718899302147024191moz-cite-prefix">On 10/11/2017 7:11=
AM, mayqel qunenoS
wrote:<br>
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<blockquote type=3D"cite">Is
there a difference between these two sentences ?
<div dir=3D"auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"auto">{pIj, paqvam vIlaDtaHvIS, jIHagh}</div>
<div dir=3D"auto">{paqvam vIlaDtaHvIS, pIj jIHagh}</div>
<div dir=3D"auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"auto">or between these two:</div>
<div dir=3D"auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"auto">{pIj, paqvammo' jIHagh}</div>
<div dir=3D"auto">{paqvammo', pIj jIHagh}</div>
</blockquote>
<p>What you're asking is, can Klingons set aside parenthetical
phrases? <i>Often, while I'm reading this book, I laugh.</i>
Notice that I set the while-clause apart from the sentence with
commas. This indicates an interruption of my thought. I would not
let it run on: <i>Often while I'm reading this book I laugh.</i><=
br>
</p>
<p>Do Klingons do this? Probably. Everyday Klingon speech is
probably a lot less formal than we teach on this list. I don't
think we've seen this particular thing being done before, though.=
<br>
</p>
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