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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] law' puS construction with law'
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (SuStel)
Fri Oct 13 07:06:10 2017
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Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 11:50:02 -0400
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On 10/11/2017 11:29 AM, Lieven wrote:
> Am 11.10.2017 um 17:13 schrieb nIqolay Q:
>> What's interesting to me is that one of the first canon sentences for
>> {vItlh} (from the Smithsonian Air and Space tour app) was a law'-puS
>> construction: {DoDaj vItlh law' wab Do vItlh puS.} I wonder if it was
>> coined specifically to avoid using {law'} twice in a row.
>
>
> I think it's the difference in the definition: They are talking about
> speed, especially the amount of speed measured in numbers.
>
> The speed was higher, but they were stil ltalking about ONE speed.
> Using {law'} "be many" would mean that they are talking about several
> speeds, in plural.
>
> {DoDaj vItlh law' wab Do vItlh puS.}
> "The speed is higher than the speed of sound"
>
> {DoDaj law' law' wab Do law' puS.}
> "His speeds are more than the sound's speeds"
In SkyBox S32, we see *'ul law'* which gets translated /highly-charged./
I'd expect *'ul* and *Do* to be treated similarly in this regard.
Obviously, the answer is that Okrand just hadn't thought of *vItlh* yet,
but here we're not expected to think of this as /many (different)
electricities./ I don't think *Do law'* would automatically mean /many
(different) velocities/ just by that logical alone.
Now that we have *vItlh,* that's obviously the better choice for things
like this. But you can't completely rule out using *law'.*
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/11/2017 11:29 AM, Lieven wrote:<br>
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<blockquote type="cite"
cite="mid:dfe24153-c6ae-4e9f-91c2-2d2ac9955042@gmx.de">Am
11.10.2017 um 17:13 schrieb nIqolay Q:
<br>
<blockquote type="cite" style="color: #000000;">What's interesting
to me is that one of the first canon sentences for {vItlh} (from
the Smithsonian Air and Space tour app) was a law'-puS
construction: {DoDaj vItlh law' wab Do vItlh puS.} I wonder if
it was coined specifically to avoid using {law'} twice in a row.
<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
<br>
I think it's the difference in the definition: They are talking
about speed, especially the amount of speed measured in numbers.
<br>
<br>
The speed was higher, but they were stil ltalking about ONE speed.
Using {law'} "be many" would mean that they are talking about
several speeds, in plural.
<br>
<br>
{DoDaj vItlh law' wab Do vItlh puS.}
<br>
"The speed is higher than the speed of sound"
<br>
<br>
{DoDaj law' law' wab Do law' puS.}
<br>
"His speeds are more than the sound's speeds"
</blockquote>
<p>In SkyBox S32, we see <b>'ul law'</b> which gets translated <i>highly-charged.</i>
I'd expect <b>'ul</b> and <b>Do</b> to be treated similarly in
this regard. Obviously, the answer is that Okrand just hadn't
thought of <b>vItlh</b> yet, but here we're not expected to think
of this as <i>many (different) electricities.</i> I don't think <b>Do
law'</b> would automatically mean <i>many (different)
velocities</i> just by that logical alone.</p>
<p>Now that we have <b>vItlh,</b> that's obviously the better
choice for things like this. But you can't completely rule out
using <b>law'.</b><br>
</p>
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