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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] law' puS construction with law'
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (mayqel qunenoS)
Fri Oct 13 06:56:09 2017
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Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 18:40:19 +0300
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Using {vItlh} is a good choice, but isn't that only to be used with regards
to things such as speed, destruction etc ?
What I'm trying to say is, if I want to say "january has more days than
february", can I use the {vItlh} ? Can I say..
{jar wa' jajmey vItlh law' jar cha' jajmey vItlh puS} ?
This was the reason which made me start this thread in the first place. The
need to express the concept of "more" in cases as the above.
mayqel q
On Oct 11, 2017 18:21, "Steven Boozer" <sboozer@uchicago.edu> wrote:
> For those interested:
>
>
>
> *tera' jaj wa'maH loS, jar wa'maH, DIS wa' Hut loS Soch, puvDI' BELL
> X-wa', *
>
> * DoDaj vItlh law' wab Do vItlh puS.*
>
> [untranslated] (NASM: =E2=80=9CBell X-1 Glamorous Glennis=E2=80=9D)
>
> --Voragh
>
>
>
> *From:* nIqolay Q
> On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 10:48 AM, Lieven <levinius@gmx.de> wrote:
>
>
> If you like to avoid the strange {*law' law'*}, you might want to
> consider the recently disscovered verb {vItlh}. It was used in a phrase i=
n
> DSC:
>
> {*Heghmey DISIQpu'. 'a DIvI' Hegh vItlh law' Heghmaj vItlh puS.*}
> "We have suffered losses but the Federation has suffered far more."
>
>
>
> What's interesting to me is that one of the first canon sentences for {
> *vItlh*} (from the Smithsonian Air and Space tour app) was a law'-puS
> construction: {*DoDaj **vItlh** law' wab Do **vItlh** puS*.} I wonder if
> it was coined specifically to avoid using {*law'*} twice in a row. (Even
> if that's true, I don't see why {*law' law'*} would itself be
> ungrammatical; maybe it just didn't fit Okrand's aesthetic sensibilities =
at
> the time.)
>
>
>
>
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<div dir=3D"auto">Using {vItlh} is a good choice, but isn't that only t=
o be used with regards to things such as speed, destruction etc ?<div dir=
=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">What I'm trying to say is, if I w=
ant to say "january has more days than february", can I use the {=
vItlh} ? Can I say..</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">{ja=
r wa' jajmey vItlh law' jar cha' jajmey vItlh puS} ?</div><div =
dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">This was the reason which made me =
start this thread in the first place. The need to express the concept of &q=
uot;more" in cases as the above.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div=
dir=3D"auto">mayqel q</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=
=3D"gmail_quote">On Oct 11, 2017 18:21, "Steven Boozer" <<a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:sboozer@uchicago.edu">sboozer@uchicago.edu</a>> wrote:<br t=
ype=3D"attribution"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0=
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div lang=3D"EN-US" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple">
<div class=3D"m_-5503173816001630299WordSection1">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:#1f497d">For t=
hose interested:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:#1f497d"><u></=
u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:#1f497d">te=
ra' jaj wa'maH loS, jar wa'maH, DIS wa' Hut loS Soch, puvDI=
' BELL X-wa',
<u></u><u></u></span></b></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:#1f497d">=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0DoDaj vItlh law' wab Do vItlh puS.<u></u><u></u></spa=
n></b></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:#1f497d">[untr=
anslated]=C2=A0 =C2=A0(NASM: =E2=80=9CBell X-1 Glamorous Glennis=E2=80=9D)<=
br>
<br>
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:#1f497d">--Vor=
agh<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"=
;Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;=
font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> nIqolay Q<br>
</span>On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 10:48 AM, Lieven <<a href=3D"mailto:levin=
ius@gmx.de" target=3D"_blank">levinius@gmx.de</a>> wrote:<span style=3D"=
font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><u></u><u></u>=
</span></p>
<blockquote style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0i=
n 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br>
If you like to avoid the strange {<b>law' law'</b>}, you might want=
to consider the recently disscovered verb {vItlh}. It was used in a phrase=
in DSC:<br>
<br>
{<b>Heghmey DISIQpu'. 'a DIvI' Hegh vItlh law' Heghmaj vItl=
h puS.</b>}<br>
"We have suffered losses but the Federation has suffered far more.&quo=
t;<u></u><u></u></p>
</blockquote>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">What's interesting to me is that one of the firs=
t canon sentences for {<b>vItlh</b>} (from the Smithsonian Air and Space to=
ur app) was a law'-puS construction:
<span class=3D"m_-5503173816001630299gmail-im">{<b>DoDaj </b></span><span c=
lass=3D"m_-5503173816001630299gmail-il"><b>vItlh</b></span><span class=3D"m=
_-5503173816001630299gmail-im"><b> law' wab Do
</b></span><span class=3D"m_-5503173816001630299gmail-il"><b>vItlh</b></spa=
n><span class=3D"m_-5503173816001630299gmail-im"><b> puS</b>.} I wonder if =
it was coined specifically to avoid using {<b>law'</b>} twice in a row.=
(Even if that's true, I don't see why {<b>law' law'</b>} w=
ould itself be ungrammatical;
maybe it just didn't fit Okrand's aesthetic sensibilities at the t=
ime.)</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
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