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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] Saying I'm not there
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (nIqolay Q)
Mon Oct 9 04:26:08 2017
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Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2017 00:50:18 -0400
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On Sun, Oct 8, 2017 at 11:41 PM, SuStel <sustel@trimboli.name> wrote:
> On 10/8/2017 11:36 PM, SuStel wrote:
>
> On 10/8/2017 11:29 PM, Alan Anderson wrote:
>
> On Sun, Oct 8, 2017 at 7:05 PM, SuStel <sustel@trimboli.name> wrote:
>
>> I am of the opinion, informed by no canon whatsoever, that the rule is
>> that pronouns of being in a place require an aspect, but not necessarily a
>> type 7 suffix.
>>
>
> Unfortunately, that opinion is contradicted by canon. Again, from the UKE
> appendix:
>
> "Where is a good restaurant?" {nuqDaq 'oH Qe' QaQ'e'}
>
> "Where is the bathroom?" {nuqDaq 'oH puchpa''e'}
>
> Any examples where we're not asking questions?
>
> Here's a sort-of example: *ghe''orDaq luSpet 'oH DaqlIj'e'.* But it's not
> of the same form as the others, so it's not a good data point.
>
One thing that is in common between those examples is that the thing in
question doesn't move, it's a fixed location. People move around, so you
might want to emphasize if someone is in a location for a while (i.e.,
using the* -taH*), whereas the restaurant or bathroom probably isn't going
anywhere. Are there more examples where the thing that is in a place is a
fixed feature rather than a person or ship or the like?
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On S=
un, Oct 8, 2017 at 11:41 PM, SuStel <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto=
:sustel@trimboli.name" target=3D"_blank">sustel@trimboli.name</a>></span=
> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;bo=
rder-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div class=3D"m_-3078264781454928728moz-cite-prefix">On 10/8/2017 11:36=
PM, SuStel wrote:<br>
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<blockquote type=3D"cite">
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<div class=3D"m_-3078264781454928728moz-cite-prefix">On 10/8/2017 11:=
29 PM, Alan Anderson
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite" style=3D"transition: transform 1s ease 0s;"=
>On
Sun, Oct 8, 2017 at 7:05 PM, SuStel <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=
=3D"mailto:sustel@trimboli.name" target=3D"_blank">sustel@trimboli.name</a>=
></span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex=
;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF"><span class=3D"m_-3078264781454928728gma=
il-">
<div class=3D"m_-3078264781454928728gmail-m_34350027191337295=
31moz-cite-prefix">I
am of the opinion, informed by no canon whatsoever, that
the rule is that pronouns of being in a place require an
aspect, but not necessarily a type 7 suffix.=C2=A0</div>
</span></div>
</blockquote>
<div><br>
</div>
Unfortunately, that opinion is contradicted by canon. Again,
from the UKE appendix:<br>
<br>
"Where is a good restaurant?" {nuqDaq 'oH Qe' QaQ=
'e'} <br>
<br>
"Where is the bathroom?" {nuqDaq 'oH puchpa''=
e'}</blockquote>
<p>Any examples where we're not asking questions?</p>
</blockquote>
</span><p>Here's a sort-of example: <b>ghe''orDaq luSpet &#=
39;oH DaqlIj'e'.</b>
But it's not of the same form as the others, so it's not a go=
od
data point.<span class=3D"HOEnZb"></span></p></div></blockquote><div>=
</div><div> One thing that is in common between those examples is that the =
thing in question doesn't move, it's a fixed location. People move =
around, so you might want to emphasize if someone is in a location for a wh=
ile (i.e., using the<b> -taH</b>), whereas the restaurant or bathroom proba=
bly isn't going anywhere. Are there more examples where the thing that =
is in a place is a fixed feature rather than a person or ship or the like?<=
/div></div></div></div>
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