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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] Sweat
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (nIqolay Q)
Sat Oct 7 21:01:11 2017
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From: nIqolay Q <niqolay0@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2017 17:25:26 -0400
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On Sat, Oct 7, 2017 at 4:35 PM, mayqel qunenoS <mihkoun@gmail.com> wrote:
> I've thought of {tInchoH}, but I feel there's something missing, with
> regards to its ability to describe "to swell".
>
> For instance, if I want to say "a bug stung me and my hand swell", and I
> write {muchop ghew 'ej tInchoH ghopwIj}, I get the impression that there is
> "something missing".
>
> On the other hand, if I want to say "I saw lurSa' and tInchoH ngaghmeH
> nebwIj", then indeed the {tInchoH} is good. The {neb} being used
> metaphorically of course.
>
> So, I feel that the {tInchoH} lacks something, when we need to describe
> "to swell", as a result of a pathological process..
>
> Perhaps I'm wrong though.. I don't know..
>
You're right that "become big" doesn't necessarily have the same medical or
physical connotations as "swell", but it would still get the meaning across
in the right context, like a bug bite. Until we get a more specific word
with more specific medical connotations, you'll have to make do with
alternate phrasings. If you don't think *tInchoH* quite works, you could
try being specific about why your hand is getting bigger:
- *ghopwIj tInchoHmoH 'Iw* "blood makes my hand get big" (replacing *'Iw*
with *bIQ* "water" or *betgham* "liquid" or whatever is causing the
swelling, when necessary.)
- *ghopwIj SachmoH 'Iw* "blood makes my hand expand"
- *'Iw 'Iq ngaS ghojwIj* "my hand contains too much blood"
Or you could try including other symptoms:
- *tInchoH ghopwIj 'ej Doqqu'choH* "my hand gets big and red"
- *tInchoH ghopwIj 'ej 'oy'choH* "my hand gets big and sore"
As for "sweat", maybe something like: *(jItujmo') (jItujHa'choHmeH) bIQ
lIng DIrwIj* "(because I'm hot), my skin produces water (so I can cool
off)", including or leaving out the stuff in parentheses if you want to be
more or less wordy. Other verbs might work instead of *lIng*. For instance,
since sweat is something secreted from the body (and it contains a little
bit of waste products like urea), maybe you could use the "excretion verbs"
used with going to the bathroom: *ghIm* "exile" or *vuj *"expel, eject". *bIQ
ghIm DIrwIj* "my skin is exiling water".
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On S=
at, Oct 7, 2017 at 4:35 PM, mayqel qunenoS <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D=
"mailto:mihkoun@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">mihkoun@gmail.com</a>></spa=
n> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;b=
order-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto">I've thou=
ght of {tInchoH}, but I feel there's something missing, with regards to=
its ability to describe "to swell".<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><=
div dir=3D"auto">For instance, if I want to say "a bug stung me and my=
hand swell", and I write {muchop ghew 'ej tInchoH ghopwIj}, I get=
the impression that there is "something missing".</div><div dir=
=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">On the other hand, if I want to say &=
quot;I saw lurSa' and tInchoH ngaghmeH nebwIj", then indeed the {t=
InchoH} is good. The {neb} being used metaphorically of course.</div><div d=
ir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">So, I feel that the {tInchoH} lacks=
something, when we need to describe "to swell", as a result of a=
pathological process..</div><div dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div>=
<div dir=3D"auto">Perhaps I'm wrong though.. I don't know..<br></di=
v></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>You're right that "=
become big" doesn't necessarily have the same medical or physical =
connotations as "swell", but it would still get the meaning acros=
s in the right context, like a bug bite. Until we get a more specific word =
with more specific medical connotations, you'll have to make do with al=
ternate phrasings. If you don't think <b>tInchoH</b> quite works, you c=
ould try being specific about why your hand is getting bigger:<br></div><ul=
><li><b>ghopwIj tInchoHmoH 'Iw</b> "blood makes my hand get big&qu=
ot; (replacing <b>'Iw</b> with <b>bIQ</b> "water" or <b>betgh=
am</b> "liquid" or whatever is causing the swelling, when necessa=
ry.)</li><li><b>ghopwIj SachmoH 'Iw</b> "blood makes my hand expan=
d" </li><li><b>'Iw 'Iq ngaS ghojwIj</b> "my hand contains=
too much blood"</li></ul><div>Or you could try including other sympto=
ms:</div><ul><li><b>tInchoH ghopwIj 'ej Doqqu'choH</b> "my han=
d gets big and red"</li><li><b>tInchoH ghopwIj 'ej 'oy'cho=
H</b> "my hand gets big and sore"</li></ul><p>As for "sweat&=
quot;, maybe something like: <b>(jItujmo') (jItujHa'choHmeH) bIQ lI=
ng DIrwIj</b> "(because I'm hot), my skin produces water (so I can=
cool off)", including or leaving out the stuff in parentheses if you =
want to be more or less wordy. Other verbs might work instead of <b>lIng</b=
>. For instance, since sweat is something secreted from the body (and it co=
ntains a little bit of waste products like urea), maybe you could use the &=
quot;excretion verbs" used with going to the bathroom: <b>ghIm</b> &qu=
ot;exile" or <b>vuj </b>"expel, eject". <b>bIQ ghIm DIrwIj</=
b> "my skin is exiling water".<br></p><div><br></div></div></div>=
</div>
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