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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] The Keeper of Ca'non
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (SuStel)
Sat Oct 7 11:36:43 2017
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On 10/6/2017 2:13 PM, Steven Boozer wrote:
>
> *From:*mayqel qunenoS
> *< vaj, naDev chaHtaHvIS no'ma', chutmey'e' chenmoHta'bogh qeylIS lajchu'*
>
> *< *so, while our ancestors were here, they followed the rules created
> by Kahless
>
> *no’*is grammatically singular. So odd as it sounds, this should be
> *naDev ghaHtaHvIS no’ma’* – although I suspect it’s a common enough
> mistake, which is likely why Okrand always warns against it:
>
This is correct, although we've never gotten a canon example of
specifying an inherently plural noun with a pronoun.
I have a theory that *no' ghaH* is not actually the correct form. I
believe we've seen evidence that a group like a *qorDu'* is not
considered a being capable of using language, even though it is made up
of individuals who are. Perhaps inherently plural nouns like *no'* work
the same way. In that case, it's *qempa' ghaH*/he/she is an ancestor/
and *no' 'oH*/they are ancestors./
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/6/2017 2:13 PM, Steven Boozer
wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:BN4PR11MB0852B42CF815D0A1E84CCD68C1710@BN4PR11MB0852.namprd11.prod.outlook.com">
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">
mayqel qunenoS<br>
</span><b><span style="color:#1F497D">< </span>vaj, naDev
chaHtaHvIS no'ma', chutmey'e' chenmoHta'bogh qeylIS lajchu'<o:p></o:p></b></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:#1F497D">< </span></b>so,
while our ancestors were here, they followed the rules created
by
<span style="color:#1F497D">K</span>ahless<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">no’</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">
is grammatically singular. So odd as it sounds, this should
be
<b>naDev ghaHtaHvIS no’ma’</b> – although I suspect it’s a
common enough mistake, which is likely why Okrand always
warns against it:</span></p>
</div>
</blockquote>
<p>This is correct, although we've never gotten a canon example of
specifying an inherently plural noun with a pronoun.</p>
<p>I have a theory that <b>no' ghaH</b> is not actually the correct
form. I believe we've seen evidence that a group like a <b>qorDu'</b>
is not considered a being capable of using language, even though
it is made up of individuals who are. Perhaps inherently plural
nouns like <b>no'</b> work the same way. In that case, it's <b>qempa'
ghaH</b><i> he/she is an ancestor</i> and <b>no' 'oH</b><i>
they are ancestors.</i><br>
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