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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] DSC Klingon Trailer transcription (NOT offlist)
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (SuStel)
Fri Oct 6 08:11:14 2017
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Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2017 14:05:52 -0400
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On 10/4/2017 2:01 PM, Lieven wrote:
> Am 04.10.2017 um 19:47 schrieb SuStel:
>> When the indirect object... is first or second person, the
>> pronominal prefix which normally indicates first or second person
>> object may be used. —Okrand, Re: Some quick questions...
>>
>> *-DI'* indicates a third-person object.
>
> That is true, but the above explanation does not exclude other
> objects. It does not say "ONLY when...".
>
> The entire 1997 thread started with "what does {qajatlh} mean", so
> Okrand responded to that question, explaining the first and second
> person object. Nobody asked for third, so there was no reason to
> answer that.
>
> The prefix trick follows the same pattern:
> SoHvaD Soj vInob -> Soj qanob.
> SoHvaD Soj wInob -> Soj pInob.
> chaHvaD Soj wInob -> Soj DInob.
This isn't a course in logic. The clear implication of Okrand's calling
out first- and second-person objects and not saying anything about
third-person objects is that the prefix trick only works with first- and
second-person objects. Nobody asked about first-person objects either,
but he put those in there.
"When the indirect object is first or second person, oh and third person
too, but I feel like not saying that one for some reason, ..." That's
nonsense.
*Soj DInob* is not a valid application of the prefix trick. It means /we
give foods./
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/4/2017 2:01 PM, Lieven wrote:<br>
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<blockquote type="cite"
cite="mid:6358d2c5-764b-faf8-d1f7-018277dac770@gmx.de">Am
04.10.2017 um 19:47 schrieb SuStel:
<br>
<blockquote type="cite" style="color: #000000;"> When the
indirect object... is first or second person, the
<br>
pronominal prefix which normally indicates first or second
person
<br>
object may be used. —Okrand, Re: Some quick questions...
<br>
<br>
*-DI'* indicates a third-person object.
<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
That is true, but the above explanation does not exclude other
objects. It does not say "ONLY when...".
<br>
<br>
The entire 1997 thread started with "what does {qajatlh} mean", so
Okrand responded to that question, explaining the first and second
person object. Nobody asked for third, so there was no reason to
answer that.
<br>
<br>
The prefix trick follows the same pattern:
<br>
SoHvaD Soj vInob -> Soj qanob.
<br>
SoHvaD Soj wInob -> Soj pInob.
<br>
chaHvaD Soj wInob -> Soj DInob.
</blockquote>
<p>This isn't a course in logic. The clear implication of Okrand's
calling out first- and second-person objects and not saying
anything about third-person objects is that the prefix trick only
works with first- and second-person objects. Nobody asked about
first-person objects either, but he put those in there.<br>
</p>
<p>"When the indirect object is first or second person, oh and third
person too, but I feel like not saying that one for some reason,
..." That's nonsense.<br>
</p>
<p><b>Soj DInob</b> is not a valid application of the prefix trick.
It means <i>we give foods.</i><br>
</p>
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